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re: FALL CAMP: OVER. GAME WEEK.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:14 am to TailbackU
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:14 am to TailbackU
It boils down to wanting a coach that does everything Harsin is talking about and also actually winning because of it. Like many here have described, I love hearing these quotes about the focus on detail, culture, discipline, etc. But I really hope it actually translates to wins.
I would also caution against assuming Gus didn't teach anything. It certainly appears like our players really are having to start from scratch, but it's hard to really know what Harsin's definition of "football 101" is vs Gus's "football 101" was without being out there on the field.
From my perspective, it seems entirely plausible that Gus implemented a used-to-be-successful offensive system that was as simple as he could possibly construct so his players' learning curve wasn't as steep. This means he got the success we saw in '10, '13, and '17 but his players don't appear to be "excelling" at the next level, at least in terms of knowing the game. (I know there are outliers...) I hope this isn't the case, but that's absolutely what it looks like.
If Harsin can both prepare these kids for the next level and get wins on the board - we could be in for a great Auburn football era. If the kids are prepared for the next level because they "know what's going on" but can't execute, that's going to be a serious disappointment.
tl;dr - have no idea what's going to happen.
I would also caution against assuming Gus didn't teach anything. It certainly appears like our players really are having to start from scratch, but it's hard to really know what Harsin's definition of "football 101" is vs Gus's "football 101" was without being out there on the field.
From my perspective, it seems entirely plausible that Gus implemented a used-to-be-successful offensive system that was as simple as he could possibly construct so his players' learning curve wasn't as steep. This means he got the success we saw in '10, '13, and '17 but his players don't appear to be "excelling" at the next level, at least in terms of knowing the game. (I know there are outliers...) I hope this isn't the case, but that's absolutely what it looks like.
If Harsin can both prepare these kids for the next level and get wins on the board - we could be in for a great Auburn football era. If the kids are prepared for the next level because they "know what's going on" but can't execute, that's going to be a serious disappointment.
tl;dr - have no idea what's going to happen.
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Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:23 am to Niner
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But I really hope it actually translates to wins.
What? Frick that dude, just talk is all we are looking for now man.
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I would also caution against assuming Gus didn't teach anything
It's like we don't have any history to make an assumption or something.
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used-to-be-successful offensive system that was as simple as he could possibly construct so his players' learning curve wasn't as steep. This means he got the success we saw in '10, '13, and '17 but his players don't appear to be "excelling" at the next level, at least in terms of knowing the game.
And then you offer this ignoring your very own caution.
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"know what's going on" but can't execute
This is highly improbable. If you combine talent, hard work, knowledge, and well coached you will get execution.
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have no idea what's going to happen.
15-0 Ship!
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:57 am to Niner
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From my perspective, it seems entirely plausible that Gus implemented a used-to-be-successful offensive system that was as simple as he could possibly construct so his players' learning curve wasn't as steep.
It is why he is so good in his first year or two. The offense is very easy to pick up and when you run it against teams that aren't used to seeing it, it can cause some confusion and get you chunk plays. When the chunk plays go away, the offense is done.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 3:50 pm to Niner
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From my perspective, it seems entirely plausible that Gus implemented a used-to-be-successful offensive system that was as simple as he could possibly construct so his players' learning curve wasn't as steep.
That's exactly what he did. Gus didn't want players having to think and wanted coaches to make all of the on field decisions. Gus wanted it to be as simple as possible to take pressure off the players. If a play needed to be changed at the LoS, Gus had his players look over at the sidelines. It's a different kind of philosophy and I kinda understand where he's coming from.
Harsin wants the opposite. He wants his QB making his own audibles. He wants his players understanding exactly why the defense is doing what it's doing and how to attack it. Harsin basically wants his team to operate like a pro team. This is a different philosophy from Gus.
I don't think one is better than the other, it just comes down to execution and recruiting.
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