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re: I'm furious

Posted on 1/27/21 at 8:17 pm to
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 8:17 pm to
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I will say that the hatred towards Butch is also tied into the way the AD handled it all, and the circumstances of his leaving


So, to be clear, part of the reason you hate Butch so much is because of something someone else did.

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Ok, you named 2 games during one season where I was "incorrect" and we beat a team better than us.

You said he lost to every decent team he played. Yeah, I only mentioned two, but there were more decent teams, and even good teams, that he beat.
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he also lost to Vandy

So did Dooley. So did Pruitt. But Butch is the one you hate.
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put us in the drivers seat for the East

When did Dooley or Pruitt ever put you in the driver's seat for anything? But Butch is the one that gets all the hate. At least Butch put you in that position.
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We did not beat good teams.

bullshite. He actually beat five teams ranked in the top 25 at the time they played...South Carolina (11), Northwestern (12), Florida (19), Georgia (25) and Nebraska (24). Pruitt only beat two. Dooley didn't beat any. But you...and the rest of your fan base...have all this hatred toward Jones that they don't have toward Dooley or Pruitt (yet).
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Butchs avg loss to Bama was by 26 points.

Pruitt's average loss to Bama was by 30, and Dooley's was 31. But Butch is the one you have all the hatred for.
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Generally you want the rest of the league to fear your coach, not make fun of him. The fact that the rest of the world could see he was a buffoon yet he remained on the sidelines was also infuriating.

You don't think we laughed our asses off at Dooley and Pruitt? Derek Dooley...the architect of the 6-2-5 defense? Derek Dooley, with his instructions on proper showering techniques? And Pruitt? Pretty much every Bama fan has known all along that when Jeremy Pruitt isn't coaching defense on a football field, he's dumber than a box of rocks. But Butch is the one that gets all the hate.
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We didn't want him in the locker room

Then don't bitch about him smoking cigars in our locker room.
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Kiffin certainly has a personality.

Lane Kiffin is the one who literally caused you to end up with Derek Dooley. Orgeron admitted that he called Tennessee recruits the night Kiffin resigned, and only the most naive would think that Kiffin didn't know. Kiffin is responsible for pushing Tennessee over the edge into the abyss that you're in now...but you guys all love Kiffin and hate Butch with the fire of a thousand suns.

Look, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Butch did a terrific job at Tennessee. I'm not saying he didn't make absurd statements and lose games that he could have and should have won. And I'm not saying he shouldn't have been fired. I get all that. I would have wanted him fired too. What I'm saying is that it's irrational to have such a personal hatred for the guy, when he was actually the best of the three, and he didn't get you in the NCAA shitter. And I'm not just directing that toward you personally. It's an attitude that the entire fan base seems to share.

If I was a Vol fan, although I certainly would have been frustrated with Butch and wanted him fired, I wouldn't hate the guy personally. I'd be far more likely to hate Pruitt for what he's done.

But the guy I would really hate would be Kiffin. He's the one who talked about singing Rocky Top all night and then left you in the dead of night. He's the one who tried to steal your recruits the night he left. He's the one who left you at a time of year when finding a quality replacement was pretty much impossible. He's the one who pushed you over the cliff into the abyss. But all you guys still love him. It really is like a battered spouse.
This post was edited on 1/27/21 at 8:18 pm
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
9092 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 10:25 am to
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If I was a Vol fan, although I certainly would have been frustrated with Butch and wanted him fired, I wouldn't hate the guy personally. I'd be far more likely to hate Pruitt for what he's done.


When I say hate, I don't mean I personally hate the man. I wouldn't spit on him in the street or anything. If i met him id shake his hand and introduce myself.

But I figuratively hate what he symbolizes, the feeling we had under his tenure after every season, what he looks like, and how me makes me feel. You mention Dooley and Kiffin, well, I hate them for what they did too. For many of the same reasons and many different ones. I hate many administrators who have led us to this point. My "hatred" is nondiscriminatory. Probably won't subside until we can stabilize a little bit and win a game or two.

Kiffin is more entertaining and endearing than Dooley or Butch, and has had some success since he left, so maybe that answers your question a little bit. I do compare him to an ex girlfriend who you talk shite about but would take back in an instant given the chance.

You originally asked why fans feel this way towards Butch, and I gave you a list of reasons. Im sorry you dont agree. Maybe you'd feel differently if you were a VOLS fan and went through it all

All I can hope is that the ensuing power vacuum after Saban's retirement fricks up your program for a bit
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