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Looking at the 2017 and 2018 classes
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:15 pm
Taking a look at the 17 and 18 recruiting classes and which players met, exceeded, or failed expectations at Georgia
2017
5* Isaiah Wilson- Met
5* Richard Lecounte- Met
5* D’andre Swift- Met
High 4* Jake Fromm- Met
High 4* Andrew Thomas- Exceeded
High 4* Deangelo Gibbs- Majorly Failed
High 4* Netori Johnson- Majorly Failed
High 4* Robert Beal- Majorly Failed
Mid 4* JJ Holloman- Slightly Failed
Mid 4* Mark Webb- Met
Mid 4* Jaden Hunter- Majorly Failed
Mid 4* Tray Bishop- Majorly Failed
Mid 4* Malik Herring- Met
Mid 4* Nate McBride- Majorly Failed
Mid 4* William Poole- Slightly Failed
Low 4* Walter Grant- Slightly Failed
Low 4* Trey Blount- Majorly Failed
Low 4* Devonte Wyatt- Met
Low 4* D’Marcus Hayes- Majorly Failed
Low 4* Monty Rice- Exceeded
High 3* Ameer Speed- Slightly Failed
High 3* Justin Shaffer- Exceeded
Mid 3* Latavious Brini- Met
Low 3* Eric Stokes- Majorly Exceeded
Low 3* Matt Landers- Met
2018
5* Justin Fields- Majorly Failed (For our purposes)
5* Zamir White- Slightly Failed
5* Jamaree Salyer- Met
5* Tyson Campbell- Slightly Failed
5* Adam Anderson- Slightly Failed
5* Cade Mays- Majorly Failed
5* Brenton Cox- Majorly Failed
High 4* Quay Walker- Met
High 4* James Cook- Slightly Failed
High 4* Luke Ford- Majorly Failed
High 4* Trey Hill- Met
High 4* Otis Reese- Majorly Failed
High 4* Channing Tindall- Slightly Failed
Mid 4* Kearis Jackson- Met
Mid 4* Azeez Ojulari- Majorly Exceeded
Mid 4* Tommy Bush- Majorly Failed
Low 4* Divaad Wilson- Majorly Failed
Low 4* Warren Ericson- Met
Low 4* Chris Smith- Met
Low 4* John Fitzpatrick- Met
High 3* Jordan Davis- Majorly exceeded
Mid 3* Owen Condon- Met
So of these 49 players...
3 majorly exceeded expectations
3 exceeded expectations
17 met expectations
10 slightly failed
16 majorly failed
I know it’s hard to keep that many highly ranked players on the team, but I find it troubling how many busts/transfers we have.
2017
5* Isaiah Wilson- Met
5* Richard Lecounte- Met
5* D’andre Swift- Met
High 4* Jake Fromm- Met
High 4* Andrew Thomas- Exceeded
High 4* Deangelo Gibbs- Majorly Failed
High 4* Netori Johnson- Majorly Failed
High 4* Robert Beal- Majorly Failed
Mid 4* JJ Holloman- Slightly Failed
Mid 4* Mark Webb- Met
Mid 4* Jaden Hunter- Majorly Failed
Mid 4* Tray Bishop- Majorly Failed
Mid 4* Malik Herring- Met
Mid 4* Nate McBride- Majorly Failed
Mid 4* William Poole- Slightly Failed
Low 4* Walter Grant- Slightly Failed
Low 4* Trey Blount- Majorly Failed
Low 4* Devonte Wyatt- Met
Low 4* D’Marcus Hayes- Majorly Failed
Low 4* Monty Rice- Exceeded
High 3* Ameer Speed- Slightly Failed
High 3* Justin Shaffer- Exceeded
Mid 3* Latavious Brini- Met
Low 3* Eric Stokes- Majorly Exceeded
Low 3* Matt Landers- Met
2018
5* Justin Fields- Majorly Failed (For our purposes)
5* Zamir White- Slightly Failed
5* Jamaree Salyer- Met
5* Tyson Campbell- Slightly Failed
5* Adam Anderson- Slightly Failed
5* Cade Mays- Majorly Failed
5* Brenton Cox- Majorly Failed
High 4* Quay Walker- Met
High 4* James Cook- Slightly Failed
High 4* Luke Ford- Majorly Failed
High 4* Trey Hill- Met
High 4* Otis Reese- Majorly Failed
High 4* Channing Tindall- Slightly Failed
Mid 4* Kearis Jackson- Met
Mid 4* Azeez Ojulari- Majorly Exceeded
Mid 4* Tommy Bush- Majorly Failed
Low 4* Divaad Wilson- Majorly Failed
Low 4* Warren Ericson- Met
Low 4* Chris Smith- Met
Low 4* John Fitzpatrick- Met
High 3* Jordan Davis- Majorly exceeded
Mid 3* Owen Condon- Met
So of these 49 players...
3 majorly exceeded expectations
3 exceeded expectations
17 met expectations
10 slightly failed
16 majorly failed
I know it’s hard to keep that many highly ranked players on the team, but I find it troubling how many busts/transfers we have.
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Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:43 pm to diddlydawg7
Are Mays and Ford major fails due to transfers?
Edit: I would say that Rice majorly exceeded.
Edit: I would say that Rice majorly exceeded.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:46 pm to diddlydawg7
Matt Landers loses us games. He would be a failure as half a star.
Zeus has been really good since he took the reigns, jury still out on Adam Anderson. He has played well this year and could be a force for us next year, and regardless of the opinion from some of the board I don’t think you can list Cook as failing even using your metrics.
Zeus has been really good since he took the reigns, jury still out on Adam Anderson. He has played well this year and could be a force for us next year, and regardless of the opinion from some of the board I don’t think you can list Cook as failing even using your metrics.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:53 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Are Mays and Ford major fails due to transfers?
I mean yeah, they failed expectations at Georgia.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 8:55 pm to RunLindsayRun
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Zeus has been really good since he took the reigns
He’s been good, not 5* good.
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I don’t think you can list Cook as failing even using your metrics.
He’s been good this year at times, but overall he has not played at a high 4* level.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:01 pm to RunLindsayRun
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Matt Landers loses us games. He would be a failure as half a star.
He was the #700 recruit or something. The fact that he even sees any playing time is impressive, despite his performance.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:10 pm to diddlydawg7
I'm in board with it.
But the 2018 class is only halfway through their junior seasons. You may want to regrade several of them after seasons end.
But the 2018 class is only halfway through their junior seasons. You may want to regrade several of them after seasons end.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:27 pm to diddlydawg7
You can argue a few one or the other but that's a good list.
Saban built name in an Era of o resigning and processing the dead weight. Imagine clearing those players out to make room for more year after year...
Saban built name in an Era of o resigning and processing the dead weight. Imagine clearing those players out to make room for more year after year...
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:27 pm to diddlydawg7
I wouldn’t say Mays was a major failure since he played a lot as a freshman and started several games as a sophomore.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:29 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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I wouldn’t say Mays was a major failure since he played a lot as a freshman and started several games as a sophomore.
To me, a 5* that transfers after 2 years is a failure, especially in Mays’ case because he played pretty bad at times.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:03 pm to diddlydawg7
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Taking a look at the 17 and 18 recruiting classes and which players met, exceeded, or failed expectations at Georgia
That's the key here.
We arent grading the quality of the recruiting or the quality of the rankings.
It is the quality of the contributions at UGA. Underclassmen who play but make underclassmen mistakes without giving us the full benefit of a 3rd year (or 4th year) actually hurts the team.
It was no different when Grantham played all of those freshmen and sophomores for us that transferred out. We never got to receive the benefits of experience as they cut their teeth and made their mistakes in key games for the bulldawgs.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:05 pm to RunLindsayRun
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jury still out on Adam Anderson. He has played well this year and could be a force for us next year,
There is no jury on Adam Anderson. When Jermaine Johnson was hurt, Anderson got more pt and went on a terror. I don't care if he is 225lbs. When he get more pt he's the best player on the team.
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:11 pm to lewis and herschel
New rules don't let you do that anymore, with a 25 signing cap.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:12 pm to diddlydawg7
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/transfers we have.
The portal is awful. Allows players to quit way too easily.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 1:43 am to diddlydawg7
I did not realize that 3 five star commits from 2018 played at least a year and decided UGA wasn’t for them? I mean WTF we have a lot to offer these kids ... with those three players on our roster, we look like a whole different team.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 4:26 am to diddlydawg7
It doesn't take a lot of reckoning to realize we are recruiting as good or better than anyone in the nation on paper and the results are not panning out.
Kirby built a mirror image of Alabama and it worked well with UF being a disaster. The game changed, Alabama changed, UF is competitive again and we have a midget walk on QB because as good as we are at recruiting keeping recruits and coaching them up is really the thing that matters, not getting them to sign a LOI.
Our WRs have been at best serviceable. Our QBs less than that. Our current crop of RBs is underwhelming and our OL is also. Our defense is stellar when they are up against a team with inferior athletes but when the other side is close to their athleticism they get run out of the stadium. Finally our coaching staff gets out coached consistently. This is not something that has only occurred this season. 2016 gets a pass as the first year. 2017 was as good as it gets. 2018, 2019 and now 2020 shows a slow decline from 2017 and it looks like next year will be a rebuilding year with a new QB at best. Unless of course Stetson Bennett is the man next year also.
Smart has earned some capital with 2017 and it will pay the freight for at least 5 more years. Its hard to imagine us getting worse offensively going forward but it isn't difficult to see us continuing to get run out of the stadium against good offenses and us trotting out a gang of 5 star recruits who look great against inferior opponents and at times against equal or better opponents only to make enough mistakes to get ran in meaningful games.
There has been a fundamental shift in CFB and the only position on the field that matters is QB. Defense is now a thing of memory. Just throw the ball accurately down the field and either complete a big gainer or get PI call....but the ball has to be close to a receiver and a receiver has to give the appearance of getting open....they can't be draped by a DB the entire route.
And then of course when they are open and there is no interference and the QB manages to actually throw the ball where it is catchable they actually have to catch the ball. We don't do that either.
Mark Richt was a good recruiter also. He also failed to get those recruits to play up to expectations. Great coaches do not. Smart has potential but he is not getting any better. He has 5 years, in my opinion, because that's the way UGA rolls....but he will be an outlier if he improves on 2017 after year 5.
Kirby built a mirror image of Alabama and it worked well with UF being a disaster. The game changed, Alabama changed, UF is competitive again and we have a midget walk on QB because as good as we are at recruiting keeping recruits and coaching them up is really the thing that matters, not getting them to sign a LOI.
Our WRs have been at best serviceable. Our QBs less than that. Our current crop of RBs is underwhelming and our OL is also. Our defense is stellar when they are up against a team with inferior athletes but when the other side is close to their athleticism they get run out of the stadium. Finally our coaching staff gets out coached consistently. This is not something that has only occurred this season. 2016 gets a pass as the first year. 2017 was as good as it gets. 2018, 2019 and now 2020 shows a slow decline from 2017 and it looks like next year will be a rebuilding year with a new QB at best. Unless of course Stetson Bennett is the man next year also.
Smart has earned some capital with 2017 and it will pay the freight for at least 5 more years. Its hard to imagine us getting worse offensively going forward but it isn't difficult to see us continuing to get run out of the stadium against good offenses and us trotting out a gang of 5 star recruits who look great against inferior opponents and at times against equal or better opponents only to make enough mistakes to get ran in meaningful games.
There has been a fundamental shift in CFB and the only position on the field that matters is QB. Defense is now a thing of memory. Just throw the ball accurately down the field and either complete a big gainer or get PI call....but the ball has to be close to a receiver and a receiver has to give the appearance of getting open....they can't be draped by a DB the entire route.
And then of course when they are open and there is no interference and the QB manages to actually throw the ball where it is catchable they actually have to catch the ball. We don't do that either.
Mark Richt was a good recruiter also. He also failed to get those recruits to play up to expectations. Great coaches do not. Smart has potential but he is not getting any better. He has 5 years, in my opinion, because that's the way UGA rolls....but he will be an outlier if he improves on 2017 after year 5.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 4:48 am to Gtmodawg
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There has been a fundamental shift in CFB and the only position on the field that matters is QB.
You are a broken record. Kirby knows the game has changed as evidenced by Monken and Newman. We likely beat UF with him at QB. He hits those open TD passes our backups miss.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 6:24 am to diddlydawg7
Little early for some of those 2018 guys but I agree it is a bit troubling.
Man that 2017 class was extremely top heavy
Man that 2017 class was extremely top heavy
Posted on 11/10/20 at 6:25 am to djsdawg
His next post will be some rambling about Kirby getting fired in 2026 
Posted on 11/10/20 at 6:27 am to diddlydawg7
quote:Cade was a borderline success since he went to UT and was a revolving door for our defensive lineman when they came to Athens.
To me, a 5* that transfers after 2 years is a failure, especially in Mays’ case because he played pretty bad at times.
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