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re: University of Alabama system to review all building names, remove Confederate Army plaques
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:01 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:01 pm to TideWarrior
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So not sure where you got that regarding state rights were not what was being sold to the people in the south.
Well, I think the war propaganda posters are a completely different thing. I was talking more of using the state's rights argument as a pretext for secession, which lead to the war. Certainly the Confederate leaders played up the "northern invasion" angle to get volunteers to defend their state. The states rights argument as a pretext for secession didn't really come about until the early 1900's, and was promulgated by the Daughters Of the Confederacy, mainly.
Now, I can look back and admit the slavery issue was a states rights issue. But I think slavery was THE sole reason for secession, and bringing up states rights is an effort to obfuscate that fact.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:31 pm to The Spleen
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ut I think slavery was THE sole reason for secession
Slavery wasn't the only reason to attempt secession, but it was the only one important enough to shed blood over. Denying the war was over the threat to slavery the southern states felt is simply denying fact. Of course it was.
Slightly related is the discussion about what would have happened if Beauregard hadn't fired on Sumter. Until that happened the north was far from united over what to do. It was a Pearl Harbor moment.
Funny/sad thing is that slavery would have ended very soon anyhow. Even without international pressure (which was going to get stronger and stronger), the simple fact was that the modern technology that was rapidly arriving could do most of the same jobs better and faster than people.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 2:11 pm to The Spleen
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Well, I think the war propaganda posters are a completely different thing. I was talking more of using the state's rights argument as a pretext for secession, which lead to the war. Certainly the Confederate leaders played up the "northern invasion" angle to get volunteers to defend their state. The states rights argument as a pretext for secession didn't really come about until the early 1900's, and was promulgated by the Daughters Of the Confederacy, mainly.
Now, I can look back and admit the slavery issue was a states rights issue. But I think slavery was THE sole reason for secession, and bringing up states rights is an effort to obfuscate that fact.
I agree but also believe reconstruction is the main reason for the issues of racism we deal with today.
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