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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:25 pm to BeefDawg
Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:25 pm to BeefDawg
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bullshite.
So you're one of those naive folks who believes when there's an incentive that involves more money for a certain result, that everyone is being honest.
LOL, frickoff.
And you're one of those that believes ALL docs are going against their Hippocratic oath for money (that they personally never see). It's not an all-or-nothing proposition, but the vast majority are simply not doing this.
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Eat a dick. I have logged into Facebook maybe twice in 3 years, and that was only to sell a trampoline my kids grew out of on some local thing.
Stop being that a-hole that thinks if you say something, it must have come from Fox News or some bullshite meme somewhere.
You lose all credibility when that's your retarded argument.
You are literally regurgitating about 90% of the Facebook memes and rumors in your posts, but you do you.
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NO, it shouldn't.
There is ZERO WAY of knowing if COVID played a part, but they are saying that definitively it did.
That's the point. They are guessing and assuming something that isn't definitive or fact.
As time goes by and more and more testing and studies are being done, the number of people who had asymptomatic COVID is growing.
How the frick do we know if any of these deaths were asymptomatic and completely unaffected by the virus, but still tested positive for it, and died of other factors?
You don't. So get fricked with your "assumption" method of tallying COVID deaths.
Medicine, by and large, is guesswork. Simple process of elimination in most cases. And you are wrong on this. The people dying didn't go to the hospital because they were 95, or because they were fat, or because they had liver disease or anything else. The ones presenting to hospitals are coming and being admitted there because of COVID symptoms, typically involving low O2 sats as a result of difficulty breathing. Whatever conditions they had before that are absolutely worsened by the effect of the virus and things they could have lived with for decades with ongoing treatment could kill them in days. This isn't rocket science.
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No, we don't. We "assume" they are COVID-related.
And I've already posted proof of how supposedly flu cases plummeted in NY almost the moment COVID testing rolled out, and flu cases were supposedly at a 100 year high prior to that. How convenient that worked out.
So yes, they are very much related. There are not 80k "additional" deaths above the norm. People who would have previously been cataloged as dying of the flu (or some other ailment or event) are being considered COVID deaths, and anyone with a brain sees this.
Not how it works. Every one of these people presenting to hospitals are tested for the flu and for COVID. If they are positive for COVID and they die, that's likely what the death will be attributed to. Is there some overlap? I would be surprised if there weren't. But if you test positive for COVID, you test positive for COVID. And all 80k did not ALSO HAVE THE FLU; thus, the vast majority of that number are additional deaths.
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I don't give a shite what your political leanings are. You're a fricking douche for using the "Facebook meme" bullshite as an argument and can go eat a giant bag of dicks.
Yes, you absolutely do. You're working from an extreme far-right point of view with your arguments (or lack thereof) and seem entirely incapable of examining all angles involved. Your mind is made up. You have no reasonable argument outside of your wild opinions/accusations and this is evidenced by your inability to discuss this without going off the rails with ad hominem attacks.
Good day, sir.
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:50 pm to S1C EM
My friend's dad fell and broke his hip and was admitted to a hospital in FL. They auto-tested him for covid. Bingo, he tested positive. He was recently released, but lets say that hip had complications and killed him. Do you think covid would or would not be listed as the cause of death for the purposes of covid reporting and statistics?
(hint: Dr. Birx on national TV, live, answered a reporter's question about possible undercounting of covid deaths, and she assured they are counting every single death while covid+ as a covid-caused death, regardless of actual cause of death, to ensure complete counting, and even doing post-mortem covid testing to encompass as many deaths as possible)
(hint: Dr. Birx on national TV, live, answered a reporter's question about possible undercounting of covid deaths, and she assured they are counting every single death while covid+ as a covid-caused death, regardless of actual cause of death, to ensure complete counting, and even doing post-mortem covid testing to encompass as many deaths as possible)
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:08 pm to S1C EM
quote:My wife has been a nurse for nearly 25 years and is in management at Kennestone Hospital, working there for about 22 years.
And you're one of those that believes ALL docs are going against their Hippocratic oath for money (that they personally never see). It's not an all-or-nothing proposition, but the vast majority are simply not doing this.
The Doctors are awesome, but the administration are corporatist money-grubbing lying and cheating fricks that play politics and care only about profit.
And if you don't think they've told the doctors to declare someone a COVID death if they tested positive for COVID, or else, and those doctors aren't abiding, then like I said, you're a naive buffoon.
And the Hippocratic Oath says to do no harm to anyone. Declaring someone a COVID death that tests positive, even if they had n+1 other ailments that likely caused the death, isn't breaking that oath. So GTFO with that nonsense.
And as explained, there is nothing but ambiguity with this virus. The doctors have no clue if COVID was THE CAUSE in cases of people with underlying circumstances or if it was something else. So for them to make the declaration, they aren't lying, they just aren't making a decision based on 100% certainty.
And that's an indisputable fact. If you're going to sit here and demand to me that some 400 lb fat frick who's already had 2 double bypass surgeries and has 300 cholesterol absolutely positively 100% died from COVID and not from his 3rd heart-attack, just because a doctor said so, then frick you and frick the bullshite horse you road in on, because you're an idiot and suck at life.
quote:Right, me investigating and finding the NY State Health Department flu report registry, and posting it with a page long analysis is a goddamn Facebook meme.
You are literally regurgitating about 90% of the Facebook memes and rumors in your posts, but you do you.
Damn I can't stand ignorant pricks like you. Seriously, eat shite.
quote:No shite it's "guesswork".
Medicine, by and large, is guesswork. Simple process of elimination in most cases. And you are wrong on this. The people dying didn't go to the hospital because they were 95, or because they were fat, or because they had liver disease or anything else. The ones presenting to hospitals are coming and being admitted there because of COVID symptoms, typically involving low O2 sats as a result of difficulty breathing. Whatever conditions they had before that are absolutely worsened by the effect of the virus and things they could have lived with for decades with ongoing treatment could kill them in days.
It's astounding how you just said what I said, that there's nothing definite or fact, that it's guesswork, and then you go on to call me wrong and act like it isn't fricking guesswork.
Again, my wife is a nurse. I have all the stories about who's coming in to her hospital for treatment. Your generalization that ALL of them are the same is simply not true.
And, we're not even talking about just hospitals. I clearly said municipalities, too. People are dying in nursing homes, hospice, on the streets in cardboard boxes, simply found in their homes after some times... and the county/city/state is forced to handle the body. And there absolutely are instances of those people being counted as COVID deaths simply because they test positive posthumously.
You do realize that millions of people die every year and it doesn't happen in a hospital, right?
quote:No shite. And apparently you don't care about the science of it.
This isn't rocket science.
If you did, you would easily understand that if millions of people have had COVID, but were completely asymptomatic and unaffected by it, that without question SOME of the people that have died while testing positive were also assuredly asymptomatic and unaffected by it.
There is no fricking way that you can sit here and say it's 100% fact that every one of those 80,000 was a legit COVID death. No way.
And yet, you're demanding that they all are, and insulting and impugning me with generalizations and baseless claims of bias and lack of integrity.
frick... OFF.
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