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re: Flashback 2014: SEC votes to keep permanent non division opponents
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:10 pm to GaryGator
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:10 pm to GaryGator
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Also, I really have no idea how to fix it.
Only count division games for division standings. It's simple. That way UF and Mizzou's standings in the division are based off playing the exact same teams and their head to head.
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Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:14 pm to ibldprplgld
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Done.
Will you do the same?
Nah, I like the 13 other SEC ADs, like it as is. I did contact Byrne's office about moving to a nine game scheduled
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:15 pm to StopRobot
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These are tremendous games every year
Haha...I appreciate that Bama and Tennessee hate each other and that Bama fans can't stand Phil, but this game has been a snoozer for some time (even the "Third Saturday in October" name is kind of boring). Since 2010, Bama has won all but 2 games against Tennessee by 30+ points each time. It would be nice if Tennessee could make it competitive again like it once was.
Auburn and Georgia has more excitement around it and had that classic game in 2013, but surprisingly, all but 3 games since 2010 have been double digit wins by one team or the other.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:17 pm to ibldprplgld
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Only count division games for division standings. It's simple. That way UF and Mizzou's standings in the division are based off playing the exact same teams and their head to head.
Its simple, tell your AD to put it to a vote.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:17 pm to StopRobot
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Nah, I like the 13 other SEC ADs, like it as is
So you keep Tennessee on your schedule and add a 9th conference game. This is exactly what Bama fans have said they want repeatedly.
So what reason could you possibly have for not supporting it?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:18 pm to StopRobot
Here's what I don't get, and someone feel free to fill me in... why didn't we cut the 4th out of conference game and play nine games in the conference each year? You have six divisional games, one permanent cross-division game, and then you can rotate the other six opponents in three years.
I don't mind the concept of permanent cross-division games to preserve important rivalries. Sure, sometimes it gives some teams a tougher road than others, but it's rare for that to be decisive, and in any case you can't predict when that will be decisive in a given year anyway. Over time that should even itself out, and if a team enters into a systemic decline then maybe rebalancing the schedule has higher weight than maintaining these rivalries.
What I do mind is that for the past several years, four-year scholarship SEC players have graduated without having the chance to play everyone in the conference. That's really stretching the notion of a conference to me. So why not add a game to fix that? I promise that LSU wouldn't miss the Northwestern State game or that Alabama wouldn't miss any of their nonconference games (we'll say Western Carolina for sake of example).
I don't mind the concept of permanent cross-division games to preserve important rivalries. Sure, sometimes it gives some teams a tougher road than others, but it's rare for that to be decisive, and in any case you can't predict when that will be decisive in a given year anyway. Over time that should even itself out, and if a team enters into a systemic decline then maybe rebalancing the schedule has higher weight than maintaining these rivalries.
What I do mind is that for the past several years, four-year scholarship SEC players have graduated without having the chance to play everyone in the conference. That's really stretching the notion of a conference to me. So why not add a game to fix that? I promise that LSU wouldn't miss the Northwestern State game or that Alabama wouldn't miss any of their nonconference games (we'll say Western Carolina for sake of example).
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:18 pm to ibldprplgld
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Only count division games for division standings. It's simple. That way UF and Mizzou's standings in the division are based off playing the exact same teams and their head to head.
I'm not sure that's the best way of doing it. But, I will admit it's better than the current system.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:19 pm to ibldprplgld
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So you keep Tennessee on your schedule and add a 9th conference game. This is exactly what Bama fans have said they want repeatedly.
So what reason could you possibly have for not supporting it?
Yes. Keep Tennessee as a permanent game that counts and add a ninth game. Thats what Im saying
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:21 pm to ibldprplgld
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Only count division games for division standings. It's simple. That way UF and Mizzou's standings in the division are based off playing the exact same teams and their head to head.
This is also a good idea. I think I would rather find a way to fix the fact that the teams aren't all playing each other regularly enough.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:21 pm to Marco Esquandolas
Since 2000:
Ala./Fl. - 5 reg./4 SECCG
Ala./Ga. - 5 reg./2 SECCG/1 nat. title
Ala./Tn. - 19 reg.
Aub./Fl. - 7 reg./1 SECCG
Aub./Ga. - 19 reg./1 SECCG
Aub./Tn. - 6 reg./1 SECCG
LSU/Fl. - 20 reg.
LSU/Ga. - 6 reg./3 SECCG
LSU/Tn. - 7 reg./2 SECCG
WHERE is the bias for Ala.-Fl., Ala.-Ga., Aub.-Fl., Aub.-Tn., LSU-Ga., or LSU-Tn.?
Ala./Fl. - 5 reg./4 SECCG
Ala./Ga. - 5 reg./2 SECCG/1 nat. title
Ala./Tn. - 19 reg.
Aub./Fl. - 7 reg./1 SECCG
Aub./Ga. - 19 reg./1 SECCG
Aub./Tn. - 6 reg./1 SECCG
LSU/Fl. - 20 reg.
LSU/Ga. - 6 reg./3 SECCG
LSU/Tn. - 7 reg./2 SECCG
WHERE is the bias for Ala.-Fl., Ala.-Ga., Aub.-Fl., Aub.-Tn., LSU-Ga., or LSU-Tn.?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:29 pm to StopRobot
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Yes. Keep Tennessee as a permanent game that counts and add a ninth game. Thats what Im saying
Are you going to answer my question?
Bama fans have told the board ad nauseam they want to keep tennessee on their schedule and go to a 9 game conference schedule.
If you were to get those two requests, but cross division games would no longer count towards division standings, why won't you support that change?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:32 pm to Carl Tuckerson
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This is also a good idea. I think I would rather find a way to fix the fact that the teams aren't all playing each other regularly enough.
You could amend the rules to add conference games and limit division standings to only division games.
I agree with you though, I think it's ridiculous that LSU will only play at UGA once every decade under the current rotation. That's shitty.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:34 pm to 4x4tiger
From 2000-2013 Bama played Florida 6 times
Georgia 5 times
6+5=11
Georgia 5 times
6+5=11
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:38 pm to Carl Tuckerson
2 things...
A. The unbalanced extra A game every other year
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B. Georgia/Florida/S. Carolina/Kentucky all have their in-state ACC rivals thereby would only have 2 open slots for scheduling. The problems are that they would have to host these ACC teams when there are 4H games (good luck getting that worked out between both conferences & the ACC with ND). & that this would require these 4 schools to HOST games 11 & 12 EVERY year to make a 7H season.
So, if you can figure out solutions (ESPECIALLY to "B"), we're listening.
A. The unbalanced extra A game every other year
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B. Georgia/Florida/S. Carolina/Kentucky all have their in-state ACC rivals thereby would only have 2 open slots for scheduling. The problems are that they would have to host these ACC teams when there are 4H games (good luck getting that worked out between both conferences & the ACC with ND). & that this would require these 4 schools to HOST games 11 & 12 EVERY year to make a 7H season.
So, if you can figure out solutions (ESPECIALLY to "B"), we're listening.
This post was edited on 10/15/19 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:41 pm to GaryGator
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This is a crock of shite. This seaon in particular.
Mizzou plays Ole Miss & Arkansas.
Uga plays Auburn & @ Texas A&M.
UF plays Auburn & @LSU at night.
It's a ridiculous unfair advantage for one team or another every season.
You forgot ....
SC plays(ed) Bama and A&M
Auburn plays(ed) @ UF and Georgia
A&M plays @ UGA and SC
Yeah, the schedules are a little skewed for sure.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:45 pm to boweswi05
I'm only going by B6 since that was Les' issue.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:48 pm to GaryGator
I agree & can't figure how the SEC added 2 teams & chose THIS as the best scheduling format.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:48 pm to southernboisb
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A. The unbalanced extra A game every other year
We'd all have the imbalance which makes it overall fairly equitable. Some years you have 5H and 4A, and the others you have 4H and 5A. That's a lot more parity than the current system.
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Georgia/Florida/S. Carolina/Kentucky all have their in-state ACC rivals thereby would only have 2 open slots for scheduling. The problems are that they would have to host these ACC teams when there are 4H games (good luck getting that worked out between both conferences & the ACC with ND). & that this would require these 4 schools to HOST games 11 & 12 EVERY year to make a 7H season.
It sounds like you're making this more complicated than it is. In one year, UGA would have home games against 2 opponents, and 5 SEC teams at home and play Ga Tech away. The next year, UGA would have 2 opponents, 4 SEC teams at home, then Ga Tech at home. That's 7 home games each year.
That doesn't require that big of a shakeup from the current arrangement and provides those teams with 7 home games every year.
Am I missing something else?
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:54 pm to Marco Esquandolas
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Cherry picked data...Let’s just conveniently forget about Tennessee during the ‘90’s and who their cross rival was.
Remember though that nothing before 2000 counts on here.
Posted on 10/15/19 at 6:56 pm to StopRobot
Long as Saban doesnt have to play any of them 11am timeslots amirite?
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