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re: Richt to Smart Or Miles to O
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:50 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:50 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Dude, you have to understand, I was not a fan of the Orgeron hire. Kirby was definitely the better hire on paper, as was Herman at Texas. Hot young prospects vs a washed up mediocre position coach.
Both seem to be doing well...but if you are going to hold Kirby up for future results don't you think you should do the same to Orgeron?
We're talking about different things, but I do think it's relevant.
Kirby has UGA loaded with talent and playing at a very high level, but hasn't won the game that matters. Go back and look at Richt's career, and that is the exact thing you can say to sum it up- fantastic talent, somehow didn't win the big game.
LSU hates the losing streak to Bama, but the biggest issue has been the caveman offense. Basically the QB would line up in the I formation, and yell "Hey, we're going to run offtackle to the right. You got that? Good. Hut-hut";
and we still won 8-10 games a year on talent alone.
LSU fans know you can't win a title like that anymore. You can't beat Bama with that. You couldn't before, when they played about the same way, and you sure can't now that they have Tua and the "Big 12" offense.
Oklahoma figured that out a decade or more ago, followed by TCU. Ohio State and Penn State have changed over to it. Most recently Alabama has. Now, LSU is following suit.
So like I said, different goal posts. UGA is in the spot of needing to win a title, and LSU is in the spot of needing to change philosophy without collapsing.
Might seem unfair, but I think it's how both will get judged.
Posted on 9/11/19 at 1:59 pm to Scoob
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Kirby has UGA loaded with talent and playing at a very high level, but hasn't won the game that matters. Go back and look at Richt's career, and that is the exact thing you can say to sum it up- fantastic talent, somehow didn't win the big game.
What defines a game that matters and why is it different for richt and Kirby?
Posted on 9/11/19 at 3:08 pm to Scoob
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Dude, you have to understand, I was not a fan of the Orgeron hire. Kirby was definitely the better hire on paper, as was Herman at Texas. Hot young prospects vs a washed up mediocre position coach.
At the time, I thought it was a bad hire. I guess our opinion has changed.
quote:All well and good, but if you are going to hold that against Kirby why is it not fair to hold it against Orgeron? And Kirby won the SECCG. That matters in my book. He won a playoff game. That matters in my book.
Kirby has UGA loaded with talent and playing at a very high level, but hasn't won the game that matters.
Like I said...it is too close to call right now. They are both doing very, very well, and have their teams playing great. But...they are both early in their tenure. I couldn't put one over the top right now.
quote:We'll have to agree to disagree, then....and that's okay. If Orgeron doesn't win the SEC and go to the playoffs, then the edge would have to go to Kirby.
So like I said, different goal posts. UGA is in the spot of needing to win a title, and LSU is in the spot of needing to change philosophy without collapsing.
Might seem unfair, but I think it's how both will get judged.
Miles won a NC. You have to compare their accomplishments to their predecessor for the purpose of this thread. Again...we will just have to agree to disagree.
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