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re: Richt vs Kirby after 3 years
Posted on 5/6/19 at 8:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 5/6/19 at 8:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
Rivals love to bring this up as if it's some sort of dig on kirby, while forgetting that early era richt was maybe the hottest up and coming coach in america at the time. Some rambling thoughts:
-I think overall we are set up to be better now and going foward than we were at the same stage of richt's tenure, but our competition is much more difficult
-You mentioned it but it bares repeating, if the playoff existed then I put it at 50/50 odds we are national champs in 02. OSU was garbage that year and I'd put us up against anyone the way we played from mid-November on.
-The recruiting can't be understated. We have never recruited this well in our history, and one of the biggest components of that is along the LOS especially OL. Richt never had an OL in his history that was half as deep as this year's.
-Those first 3 years of richt, he played a nationally elite UF/UT in 01, nobody really that great in 02 (bama and AU were very good but not nationally great), and the national champs in LSU in 03. Kirby didn't really play anyone nationally good in 16 (AU was very good but not great), played 3 nationally elite teams in 17, and more great teams last year. His overall quality of competition is much harder IMO and will always be as long as saban is still in the way.
Richt's first giant mistake was replacing van gorder with martinez in 05. Richt played the mellow leader while Van gorder and jon fabris were the fire and brimstone guys, it was a good balacne. When we lost VG and replaced him with willie who was not the hardass VG was, the discipline started to erode. Regardless of future staff changes I don't see that same thign playing out wiht a kirby-led team.
I also think with the way we're recruiting we're bound to win one at some point. You don't recruit as well as we have and not get one at some point. Texas, USC, bama, UF, etc going back the last few decades...all of them had good to great teams that fell short but just kept stockpiling elite 5* talent until that one year that it eventually all came together. I don't see why that won't be us soon.
-I think overall we are set up to be better now and going foward than we were at the same stage of richt's tenure, but our competition is much more difficult
-You mentioned it but it bares repeating, if the playoff existed then I put it at 50/50 odds we are national champs in 02. OSU was garbage that year and I'd put us up against anyone the way we played from mid-November on.
-The recruiting can't be understated. We have never recruited this well in our history, and one of the biggest components of that is along the LOS especially OL. Richt never had an OL in his history that was half as deep as this year's.
-Those first 3 years of richt, he played a nationally elite UF/UT in 01, nobody really that great in 02 (bama and AU were very good but not nationally great), and the national champs in LSU in 03. Kirby didn't really play anyone nationally good in 16 (AU was very good but not great), played 3 nationally elite teams in 17, and more great teams last year. His overall quality of competition is much harder IMO and will always be as long as saban is still in the way.
Richt's first giant mistake was replacing van gorder with martinez in 05. Richt played the mellow leader while Van gorder and jon fabris were the fire and brimstone guys, it was a good balacne. When we lost VG and replaced him with willie who was not the hardass VG was, the discipline started to erode. Regardless of future staff changes I don't see that same thign playing out wiht a kirby-led team.
I also think with the way we're recruiting we're bound to win one at some point. You don't recruit as well as we have and not get one at some point. Texas, USC, bama, UF, etc going back the last few decades...all of them had good to great teams that fell short but just kept stockpiling elite 5* talent until that one year that it eventually all came together. I don't see why that won't be us soon.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 8:50 am to WG_Dawg
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WG_Dawg
Good stuff as usual WG
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:00 am to WG_Dawg
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You mentioned it but it bares repeating, if the playoff existed then I put it at 50/50 odds we are national champs in 02. OSU was garbage that year and I'd put us up against anyone the way we played from mid-November on.
You mean a team who went 14-0 and beat one of the GOATs in the Fiesta Bowl is garbage? B1G was the best conference in 2002 (one of the last times we could say that) and OSU beat something like 6 ranked teams. They were a grind it out offense with a great defense. You can bring up PI all you want but even getting it to OT should have been an accomplishment against a Miami team going for something like 35 straight
Posted on 5/6/19 at 9:02 am to WG_Dawg
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-Those first 3 years of richt, he played a nationally elite UF/UT in 01, nobody really that great in 02 (bama and AU were very good but not nationally great), and the national champs in LSU in 03. Kirby didn't really play anyone nationally good in 16 (AU was very good but not great), played 3 nationally elite teams in 17, and more great teams last year. His overall quality of competition is much harder IMO and will always be as long as saban is still in the way.
Who has UGA played in the regular season that you would say is great.
2016-Best win was against AU (#9), but AU was without their starting QB and RB.
2017-Beat a decent ND team, but get blown out by AU. Win rematch against AU and beat a Defenseless OU team. shite over themselves in the CFPCG.
2018-Get blown out against LSU, lose to Bama again. Lose to TX in the Bowl Game.
So Kirby is getting credit for beating a depleted AU , a flag football team in OU, and playing Bama close two years. People say Gus loses 4 games per year on average, but fail to see Kirby is losing on average 3 games per year while playing in the SECE.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:18 pm to WG_Dawg
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OSU was garbage that year and I'd put us up against anyone the way we played from mid-November on.
Wait, the team that won the national title was garbage? I love this place.
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