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re: 2020 Recruiting Thread (SVP and Broderick Jones stay committed to the G)
Posted on 7/10/19 at 1:00 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 7/10/19 at 1:00 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Comparing one year of our WR recruiting to the totality of our DL recruiting is a little disingenuous.
I wasn't trying to dis our WR recruiting so much as defend Scott. He has had only two classes, not three as was said earlier.
quote:No doubt. Part of that, I think is Kirby doesn't really like to bring LB's. I think ideally he would like to bring 4 rushers and let the rest stay back to defend the pass. I agree that if we are going to do that, we need higher quality DLinemen. People that can absolutely wear down the OLine and stuff the run while pushing the OLine back into the QB collapsing the pocket.
but we're failing to generate pressure from the front 5
quote:Which seems odd when we have Adam Anderson, Nolan Smith and a host of other great pressure type people back there.
yet he doesn't like to dial up pressure with extra bodies and when questioned on why our OLB don't have enough sacks/pressures he says that's not what we ask them to do...
quote:My intent was not really to crap on our WR recruiting so much as to show that the DLine recruiting is not that far off from other areas. I mean, we got a 5* last year.
Of the 2 3* and 4* WRs you're referring to, one - Rosemy - is already only a few spots away from a 5th star and is on the heels of two stellar camps in the Rivals 5* challenge and the Opening.
When I saw that Scott has only coached for three years (One at NC, I think and two here) I just felt we needed to give him some time. I understand that he has been made secondary recruiter in some cases, but attributed that more to Kirby wanting to teach hm and let him learn a bit, more so than an indication that he isn't good. I really liked what he did with Jordan Davis last year, so i think he can do the job, but needs a bit more seasoning.
quote:We need more honest conversation on the board about what all is going on. I know some want nothing but recruiting news, but in order to understand why we miss on some people we need to fully understand the strengths and weaknesses we have on staff. So, as far as I am concerned give me some context and solid opinion rather than blind..."Our DLine recruiting sucks!" kind of stuff. Your insight is always appreciated.
NB4 - TL;DR, Holy Wall of Text Batman, etc ...
ETA
Just reread my post and...."Holy wall of text, Batman!"
This post was edited on 7/10/19 at 1:02 pm
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Posted on 7/10/19 at 1:55 pm to DawgsLife
The problem with the “Scott has only coached three years, let’s give him time” thing is that UGA, if we are to be a national contender, should NOT be the place to learn on the job.
I’m not saying every coach needs to be a 20 year vet, but if you come in as a young guy, you better make a splash quickly, because if you take 2-3 years to get up to speed, your position group falls so far behind that it limits team potential. Some have even said that we should give Scott 5-7 years to build rapport with high school coaches and settle in. That is patently ridiculous.
The bottom line is that it is all but impossible to win at a high level without a very good DL. Last year we signed Travon Walker, who was coming to UGA no matter what, and several guys who are considered projects. Norton, who has been mentioned many times here, was considered by half the recruiting industry to be an OL prospect only at the next level.
Fast forward to 2020, a cycle in which coming roster attrition necessitates that we a) oversign at the position, and b) identify and sign guys who can contribute immediately (not ever a good thing for LOS prospects), and it becomes clear that this is a critical class for the future of our defense.
Missing on Bresee and Murphy, who could both have been immediate impact guys, and one of whom is an in state legacy, is pretty damning. Factor in that most think we lose Burroughs, and the picture isn’t that pretty. We will be forced to hope that quite a few lesser rated guys outplay their ranking. Jordan Davis has been a pleasant surprise, but he still has a lot to prove, and even if he ends up being an all American, that doesn’t mean that every project Scott signs will be an impact player.
Furthermore, as Fib mentioned, Alabama and Clemson continue to load up and stack freak DL players like cordwood. If you go back and watch the last two Bama games, their DL absolutely manhandles us up front in the second half, and we don’t currently have dudes like that on our roster.
I’m not saying every coach needs to be a 20 year vet, but if you come in as a young guy, you better make a splash quickly, because if you take 2-3 years to get up to speed, your position group falls so far behind that it limits team potential. Some have even said that we should give Scott 5-7 years to build rapport with high school coaches and settle in. That is patently ridiculous.
The bottom line is that it is all but impossible to win at a high level without a very good DL. Last year we signed Travon Walker, who was coming to UGA no matter what, and several guys who are considered projects. Norton, who has been mentioned many times here, was considered by half the recruiting industry to be an OL prospect only at the next level.
Fast forward to 2020, a cycle in which coming roster attrition necessitates that we a) oversign at the position, and b) identify and sign guys who can contribute immediately (not ever a good thing for LOS prospects), and it becomes clear that this is a critical class for the future of our defense.
Missing on Bresee and Murphy, who could both have been immediate impact guys, and one of whom is an in state legacy, is pretty damning. Factor in that most think we lose Burroughs, and the picture isn’t that pretty. We will be forced to hope that quite a few lesser rated guys outplay their ranking. Jordan Davis has been a pleasant surprise, but he still has a lot to prove, and even if he ends up being an all American, that doesn’t mean that every project Scott signs will be an impact player.
Furthermore, as Fib mentioned, Alabama and Clemson continue to load up and stack freak DL players like cordwood. If you go back and watch the last two Bama games, their DL absolutely manhandles us up front in the second half, and we don’t currently have dudes like that on our roster.
This post was edited on 7/10/19 at 1:58 pm
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