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re: Haselwood's comments about our staff

Posted on 1/18/19 at 2:14 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 2:14 pm to
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I am not talking about losing games, but rather not winning them.
Semantics. When you criticize the QB for not doing enough to win a game, you are saying he's culpable for the loss and deserving of criticism for that loss. The result is the same.

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The QB usually needs to make plays to win close games vs tough teams, and that includes plays when pressure is applied and no one is open.
Not necessarily. Sometimes an outstanding receiver takes over. Sometimes its a running back. Sometimes it's actually the defense that steps up and wins a game. Other times it's an outstanding special teams play that makes the difference. And yes, sometimes it's the quarterback play. You can't make a blanket statement that when a game is close, it's incumbent on the QB to be that difference maker. Sometimes a QB is doing all he can do but isn't getting help elsewhere. It's why you have to look at specifics instead of throwing blame generically at the QB because he's the face of the offense. It's ignorant and unproductive.

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Getting that extra yard to move the chains can make all the difference in the world.
It can, yes. The same can be said for receivers and running backs. I've seen "the slide" called out specifically as an example where Fromm didn't go that extra mile, and as I've said several times, it was the smart move in that situation. If it were 3rd or 4th down, Fromm should have done whatever he could to get that extra yard, but on 2nd down, he did his job and was relying on the coaches and his other players to help convert on the next play. You keep forgetting about the team aspect to football, it seems.

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If Fromm had the extra element of dangerous legs, I imagine it would have helped a lot, at least enough to win both games vs Bama.
Maybe. Maybe not. If he was quicker on his feet, he might have been tempted to take off and run more, which could have resulted in injury. You never know what can happen, which is why playing the what-if game is rather pointless.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33184 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 7:52 pm to
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Semantics. When you criticize the QB for not doing enough to win a game, you are saying he's culpable for the loss and deserving of criticism for that loss. The result is the same.


He played a role in the collapse of both games, but that doesnt mean he is the sole reason or main reason we lost both games.

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Not necessarily. Sometimes an outstanding receiver takes over. Sometimes its a running back. Sometimes it's actually the defense that steps up and wins a game. Other times it's an outstanding special teams play that makes the difference. And yes, sometimes it's the quarterback play. You can't make a blanket statement that when a game is close, it's incumbent on the QB to be that difference maker. Sometimes a QB is doing all he can do but isn't getting help elsewhere.


Since the Qb has the ball more than anyone else, he has more opportunities to make plays than anyone else. Qbs arent going to have perfect protection and wide open WR's all the time. They need to be able to make something out of nothing. Each week Qbs make plays when pressure is applied and no one is open. Thats exactly what we needed from Fromm later in the Bama games and we didnt get them.

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Maybe. Maybe not. If he was quicker on his feet, he might have been tempted to take off and run more, which could have resulted in injury. You never know what can happen, which is why playing the what-if game is rather pointless.




Injuries are always possible, but not probable. Just one Qb first down run, or a scramble and pass first down, as compared to a sack and punt, has potential to be the difference in a close game. That one extended drive can get you those points and/or clock to put the game out of reach or clinch it.
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