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Should There Be Concern About The OL?
Posted on 8/25/18 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/25/18 at 1:23 pm
The OL has been very good recently.
But we must recognize the fact they benefited greatly from running the fastest offense in the country.
They were able to fatigue and disorientate opposing DL's with the fast pace.
I'm not predicting a full collapse, but I do think it's a point of mild concern.
There is no doubt the unit benefited from the fast pace and they'll need to prove they can handle a more traditional march down the field - hopefully they can handle it and the help of additional TE blocking will make this a non-issue.
But we must recognize the fact they benefited greatly from running the fastest offense in the country.
They were able to fatigue and disorientate opposing DL's with the fast pace.
I'm not predicting a full collapse, but I do think it's a point of mild concern.
There is no doubt the unit benefited from the fast pace and they'll need to prove they can handle a more traditional march down the field - hopefully they can handle it and the help of additional TE blocking will make this a non-issue.
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Posted on 8/25/18 at 1:26 pm to OG Supreme
Mizzou is still a no huddle tempo offense.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 1:37 pm to wubilli
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Mizzou is still a no huddle tempo offense.
I'm aware.
But the evidence we've gotten from players and coaches is we intend to grind down the field with more plays, taking more time off the clock, while overall staying close to our identity as an up-tempo offense.
This offense won't be making 9 second drives on the regular like last year.
They won't be hitting Hall on deep-ball plays like it's a video game as often as last year.
They'll be more balanced and traditional while unleashing a fast paced assault on defenses when they choose to flip the switch.
The OL will be competing against DL's who aren't as disoriented.
This post was edited on 8/25/18 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 8/25/18 at 2:01 pm to OG Supreme
Mizzou will still run at a pace that will challenge the DL.
Hall is too good going deep to not keep that as a big part of the offense. In fact if he’s developed the ability to be an effective route runner that route may be more dangerous as DBs will have to cover him against all routes.
Hall is too good going deep to not keep that as a big part of the offense. In fact if he’s developed the ability to be an effective route runner that route may be more dangerous as DBs will have to cover him against all routes.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 2:15 pm to wubilli
Hmm
Yeah, I wouldn't expect them to entirely remove the deep-ball-to-Hall from the playbook.
It's just not going to happen at the frequency we saw last year, which was in line with that of a kid calling the plays in a video game.
Anyway, I think we should be on the look-out for how this OL adjusts to more plays-per-drive.
Hoping for the best.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect them to entirely remove the deep-ball-to-Hall from the playbook.
It's just not going to happen at the frequency we saw last year, which was in line with that of a kid calling the plays in a video game.
Anyway, I think we should be on the look-out for how this OL adjusts to more plays-per-drive.
Hoping for the best.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 2:34 pm to OG Supreme
Up tempo offenses take a toll on the OL as well as the DL. With every gain the OL has to rush to the LOS and be ready. However if the offense subs in 1 player, play is stopped while the defense brings in subs.
What truly helps the OL is an offense that gets the ball out of the QB's hands quickly so they don't have to hold blocks. This can mask a bad OL. When the OL can have success with an undersized Witter and a freshman, they are proving to be very skilled.
What truly helps the OL is an offense that gets the ball out of the QB's hands quickly so they don't have to hold blocks. This can mask a bad OL. When the OL can have success with an undersized Witter and a freshman, they are proving to be very skilled.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 2:45 pm to surgicalvenom
Yes, I was going to add the point about the ball moving quickly out of the QBs hand as part of this masking-of-the-OL, but felt it was sort of intuitively understood already.
Basic point: Our OL has been masked with the fastest offense in the country - here's to hoping what's underneath that mask is adequate and/or we continue to mask it with a relatively up-tempo offense and TE support.
And while I get a fast tempo can tax an OL as well, there isn't a 1:1 ratio in problems caused by up-tempo for the OL and DL. The OL knows what play is happening. The DL doesn't get to see the set-up long enough to dissect it - among other reasons it's easier for the OL to go fast as opposed to the DL.
Basic point: Our OL has been masked with the fastest offense in the country - here's to hoping what's underneath that mask is adequate and/or we continue to mask it with a relatively up-tempo offense and TE support.
And while I get a fast tempo can tax an OL as well, there isn't a 1:1 ratio in problems caused by up-tempo for the OL and DL. The OL knows what play is happening. The DL doesn't get to see the set-up long enough to dissect it - among other reasons it's easier for the OL to go fast as opposed to the DL.
This post was edited on 8/25/18 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 8/25/18 at 3:36 pm to OG Supreme
I think you are giving pace too much credit for the play of the OL and making too much about the pace slowing down.
Dooley probably won’t go fast just to go fast, means fewer drives that are 3 plays and 30 seconds.
Dooley probably won’t go fast just to go fast, means fewer drives that are 3 plays and 30 seconds.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 3:52 pm to wubilli
I'm not really following your post.
In any case..
It's not debatable that we ran the fastest offense in the country.
It's not debatable that running a fast offense can mask an OL.
It's not debatable that we intend to run more plays-per-drive this year.
1+1+1 = reason to at least consider what the OL will look like without the mask.
Of course it seems we'll be using more TE blocking, which'll help offset the lost advantage of the uber-fast-pace for the OL as we slow the pace a little.
In any case..
It's not debatable that we ran the fastest offense in the country.
It's not debatable that running a fast offense can mask an OL.
It's not debatable that we intend to run more plays-per-drive this year.
1+1+1 = reason to at least consider what the OL will look like without the mask.
Of course it seems we'll be using more TE blocking, which'll help offset the lost advantage of the uber-fast-pace for the OL as we slow the pace a little.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 4:06 pm to OG Supreme
Pace was not the only reason the OL has been good the last 2 years.
I also dont believe that the offense is slowing down that much. More plays per drive doesn’t automatically mean that the offense will slow way down.
If Dooley and Davis are as good at their jobs as Huepel and Elarbe the OL will be good again this year.
I also dont believe that the offense is slowing down that much. More plays per drive doesn’t automatically mean that the offense will slow way down.
If Dooley and Davis are as good at their jobs as Huepel and Elarbe the OL will be good again this year.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 4:27 pm to wubilli
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Pace was not the only reason the OL has been good the last 2 years.
Yeah, I don't believe there's been a case made for that. So, um.. hmm.
It's really not debatable what's being said here, and really there shouldn't be any controversy or or like backlash to what's being said.
We ran the fastest offense. OL's are in fact masked by running a fast offense. It's reasonable to wonder just how, if at all, the OL was masked and whether or not the TE support that Dooley will add will help offset any lost advantage from being the fastest.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 4:33 pm to OG Supreme
Mizzou has played fast and had an elite OL due to talent and Mizzou has played fast and not been very good. Due to poor talent and poor coaching
Dooley still plans on playing fast this season. So the benefit of playing with pace isn’t going away.
Dooley still plans on playing fast this season. So the benefit of playing with pace isn’t going away.
Posted on 8/25/18 at 5:36 pm to wubilli
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Mizzou has played fast and had an elite OL due to talent and Mizzou has played fast and not been very good. Due to poor talent and poor coaching
Dooley still plans on playing fast this season. So the benefit of playing with pace isn’t going away.
Oh man..
Well, when the OL was really bad Locks FR year, it had a lot to do with not having a real LT. It also wasn't running the fastest in the country, like it has the past two seasons.
In my quick diagnosis it appears you have a zero-summing problem.
I haven't said or suggested the OL has lacked talent or that the fast pace has exclusively been the reason for the units success - you've inserted that all on your own.
It appears you're trying to turn a discussion into a win or lose debate when that's really not what this should be.
I've also repeatedly said that Dooley will play fast, just not as fast, which makes your repeated efforts to inform me of that all the more strange.
Dude, guy.. just talk. It's pretty easy. I realize you're probably conditioned to win the internet, but that's not what this should be in this case.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 11:42 am to OG Supreme
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The OL has been very good recently.
But we must recognize the fact they benefited greatly from running the fastest offense in the country.
They were able to fatigue and disorientate opposing DL's with the fast pace.
I'm not predicting a full collapse, but I do think it's a point of mild concern.
There is no doubt the unit benefited from the fast pace and they'll need to prove they can handle a more traditional march down the field - hopefully they can handle it and the help of additional TE blocking will make this a non-issue.
You are right to be concerned. I tell you what, as a friendly neighbor Arkansas will swap our O-Line with your O-Line for the season.
I know, I know, our generosity is overwhelming... but we're just helping a neighbor out you know.
Joking aside while I don't think Mizzou has a great O-Line you have a very decent one and that should be just fine with your type of offense. It could be much worse... we are moving D-Linemen to the O-Line just so we have enough warm bodies for the season. And to add insult to injury the two highly rated O-linemen Arkansas produced... both signed out of state.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 1:07 pm to Arksulli
I have more concerns about Dooley as an OC, but not on game day. I also have more questions about the receivers Mizzou has.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 1:14 pm to wubilli
Agree with concerns about Dooley.
Do you see any depth issues with the OL?
Do you see any depth issues with the OL?
Posted on 8/26/18 at 1:17 pm to wubilli
With HCBO wanting to run a pro style offense the OL will have to hold the blocks longer than in a fast pace up tempo where the QBs is making quick passes. I understand they will still run the tempo but I believe I see where OPs concern is.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 1:33 pm to SemperFi
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Do you see any depth issues with the OL?
Yea at T I do have concerns. With Dubinsky the C/G spots have at least 1 proven backup.
I have heard really good reviews about Cook, Ruth and White so it might not be an issue.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 1:37 pm to stltigerfan
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HCBO wanting to run a pro style offense
Navy will have to explain the differences as he’s better at that than me. But I don’t think there’s a big difference between pro style and spread. An example is UCLA ran a pro-style offense last season.
Posted on 8/26/18 at 1:59 pm to Arksulli
If the interior linemen can't play thick enough when covered to maintain a free arm, maintain square, release, and still get to the second level landmarks in a zone blocking scheme, it doesn't matter how fast you run plays. Tempo will not mask poor technique, which was the issue in 2015.
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