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Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:09 pm to Globetrotter747
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:09 pm to Globetrotter747
Trotter, I know we've gone around about this on the SEC Rant OT a few times, but let me ask you an honest question: Why do you feel compelled to argue against someone's beliefs?
It seems you struggle with acceptance.
Is Christianity so unacceptable to you, that it prevents you from having peace of mind? Does the fact that billions of people place all of their hope in Jesus seem so illogical and unreasonable to you that simply have to force them to see reason and logic? It seems you can have no serenity until you've argued against every case for Christ. That's a lot of time and effort to dispute something you don't even believe in.
Christianity is not logical. It teaches that everything in and of this world is contrary to the nature of God. Everything the world holds in esteem is detested by God. It asks us to believe, with certainty, what can't be seen, heard or touched.
But this is the very definition of "faith".
We don't know how or why we were chosen. He chose us, we didn't chose Him.
If you ever feel convicted of sin, or of being a sinner, study Jesus and His message. Don't get tripped up by all the clutter:
* Evil committed in His name by people proclaiming to be Christian.
* Indisputable, scientific proof of God's existence (there isn't any. He resides in and outside of space/time).
* Hypocrites in the church (they're everywhere).
Focus on the message.
It's about a relationship, not religion.
It seems you struggle with acceptance.
Is Christianity so unacceptable to you, that it prevents you from having peace of mind? Does the fact that billions of people place all of their hope in Jesus seem so illogical and unreasonable to you that simply have to force them to see reason and logic? It seems you can have no serenity until you've argued against every case for Christ. That's a lot of time and effort to dispute something you don't even believe in.
Christianity is not logical. It teaches that everything in and of this world is contrary to the nature of God. Everything the world holds in esteem is detested by God. It asks us to believe, with certainty, what can't be seen, heard or touched.
But this is the very definition of "faith".
We don't know how or why we were chosen. He chose us, we didn't chose Him.
If you ever feel convicted of sin, or of being a sinner, study Jesus and His message. Don't get tripped up by all the clutter:
* Evil committed in His name by people proclaiming to be Christian.
* Indisputable, scientific proof of God's existence (there isn't any. He resides in and outside of space/time).
* Hypocrites in the church (they're everywhere).
Focus on the message.
It's about a relationship, not religion.
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Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:27 pm to Perfect Circle
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Trotter, I know we've gone around about this on the SEC Rant OT a few times, but let me ask you an honest question: Why do you feel compelled to argue against someone's beliefs?
I will debate just about any topic.
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That’s a lot of time and effort to dispute something you don’t even believe in.
1. Pretty much everything we discuss on this board (religion, sports, politics, etc.) is a waste of time.
2. Just because someone doesn’t believe in something doesn’t mean it can’t affect them. I am sure you know Christianity is a powerful political force in this country and many adherents would love to legislate certain aspects of their beliefs or morality onto the general population.
Posted on 4/12/18 at 4:32 pm to Perfect Circle
I'm also done with this thread, but I'd really like to hear why The men who were WITH Jesus and SAW the miracles he performed (the apostles) did not deny that he was the Messiah and save their own lives instead of suffering horrible deaths. Some of the naysayers on this board surely have the answer.
• Simon, AKA Peter: Simon-Peter, who was appointed by Jesus the leader of the new sect, is viewed by Roman Catholics as the first pope, was eventually martyred in Rome during the reign of the emperor Nero. As the story goes, Peter asked to be crucified upside down, so that his death would not be the equal of Jesus and the Romans supposedly obliged.
• Andrew: According to 15th Century religious historian Dorman Newman, Andrew—the brother of Peter—went to Patras in western Greece in 69 AD, where the Roman proconsul Aegeates debated religion with him. Aegeates tried to convince Andrew to forsake Christianity, so that he would not have to torture and execute him. But when that didn’t work, apparently he decided to give Andrew the full treatment. Andrew was scourged, and then tied rather than nailed to a cross, so that he would suffer for a longer time before dying. Andrew lived for two days, during which he preached to passersby.
• James (son of Zebedee, AKA James the Greater): Acts 12:1-19 says that James was killed with a sword. The newly-appointed governor of Judea, Herod Agrippa, decided to ingratiate himself with the Romans by persecuting leaders of the new sect. After James was arrested and led to place of execution, his unnamed accuser was moved by his courage. He not only repented and converted on the spot, but asked to be executed alongside James. The Roman executioners obliged, and both men were beheaded simultaneously.
• John: John was the only one of the original disciples not to die a violent death. Instead, he passed away peacefully in Patmos in his old age, sometime around 100 AD.
• Philip: Philip, the first of Jesus’ disciples, became a missionary in Asia. Eventually, he traveled to the Egyptian city of Heliopolis, where he was scourged, thrown into prison, and crucified in 54 AD.
• Bartholomew: Bartholomew supposedly preached in several countries, including India, where he translated the Gospel of Matthew for believers. In one account, “impatient idolaters” beat Bartholomew and then crucified him, while in another, he was skinned alive and then beheaded.
• Thomas: Apparently Thomas preached the gospel in Greece and India, where he angered local religious authorities, who martyred him by running him through with a spear.
• Matthew: According to legend, the former tax collector turned missionary was martyred in Ethiopia, where he was supposedly stabbed in the back by an swordsman sent by King Hertacus, after he criticized the king’s morals.
• James (son of Alphaeus, AKA James the Less): According to Foxe, James, who was elected by his fellow believers to head the churches of Jerusalem, was one of the longest-lived apostles, perhaps exceeded only by John. At the age of 94, he was beaten and stoned by persecutors, and then killed him by hitting him in the head with a club.
• Thaddaeus, AKA Lebbaeus, Judas or Jude: According to several stories, he was crucified at Edessa (the name of cities in both Turkey and Greece) in 72 AD.
• Simon the Canaanite AKA the Zealot: Simon preached in Mauritania on the west coast of Africa, and then went to England, where he was crucified in 74 AD.
At different times and in different places, not ONE of them denied him to save themselves....that's all the proof I need.
• Simon, AKA Peter: Simon-Peter, who was appointed by Jesus the leader of the new sect, is viewed by Roman Catholics as the first pope, was eventually martyred in Rome during the reign of the emperor Nero. As the story goes, Peter asked to be crucified upside down, so that his death would not be the equal of Jesus and the Romans supposedly obliged.
• Andrew: According to 15th Century religious historian Dorman Newman, Andrew—the brother of Peter—went to Patras in western Greece in 69 AD, where the Roman proconsul Aegeates debated religion with him. Aegeates tried to convince Andrew to forsake Christianity, so that he would not have to torture and execute him. But when that didn’t work, apparently he decided to give Andrew the full treatment. Andrew was scourged, and then tied rather than nailed to a cross, so that he would suffer for a longer time before dying. Andrew lived for two days, during which he preached to passersby.
• James (son of Zebedee, AKA James the Greater): Acts 12:1-19 says that James was killed with a sword. The newly-appointed governor of Judea, Herod Agrippa, decided to ingratiate himself with the Romans by persecuting leaders of the new sect. After James was arrested and led to place of execution, his unnamed accuser was moved by his courage. He not only repented and converted on the spot, but asked to be executed alongside James. The Roman executioners obliged, and both men were beheaded simultaneously.
• John: John was the only one of the original disciples not to die a violent death. Instead, he passed away peacefully in Patmos in his old age, sometime around 100 AD.
• Philip: Philip, the first of Jesus’ disciples, became a missionary in Asia. Eventually, he traveled to the Egyptian city of Heliopolis, where he was scourged, thrown into prison, and crucified in 54 AD.
• Bartholomew: Bartholomew supposedly preached in several countries, including India, where he translated the Gospel of Matthew for believers. In one account, “impatient idolaters” beat Bartholomew and then crucified him, while in another, he was skinned alive and then beheaded.
• Thomas: Apparently Thomas preached the gospel in Greece and India, where he angered local religious authorities, who martyred him by running him through with a spear.
• Matthew: According to legend, the former tax collector turned missionary was martyred in Ethiopia, where he was supposedly stabbed in the back by an swordsman sent by King Hertacus, after he criticized the king’s morals.
• James (son of Alphaeus, AKA James the Less): According to Foxe, James, who was elected by his fellow believers to head the churches of Jerusalem, was one of the longest-lived apostles, perhaps exceeded only by John. At the age of 94, he was beaten and stoned by persecutors, and then killed him by hitting him in the head with a club.
• Thaddaeus, AKA Lebbaeus, Judas or Jude: According to several stories, he was crucified at Edessa (the name of cities in both Turkey and Greece) in 72 AD.
• Simon the Canaanite AKA the Zealot: Simon preached in Mauritania on the west coast of Africa, and then went to England, where he was crucified in 74 AD.
At different times and in different places, not ONE of them denied him to save themselves....that's all the proof I need.
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