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Moncrief Elected To National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame
Posted on 3/29/18 at 5:14 am
Posted on 3/29/18 at 5:14 am
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. – Arkansas legend Sidney Moncrief has been named to the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2018 the organization announced Wednesday morning.
Presented by Nike, the National Collegiate Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony will take place Sunday, Nov. 18 in Kansas City. Others being inducted into the class are Arizona’s Sean Elliott, Houston’s Otis Birdsong, North Carolina’s Sam Perkins, Morgan State’s Marvin Webster and USC’s Paul Westphal will join former Charleston coach John Kresse and former Oregon Tech coach Danny Miles.
Moncrief becomes the third Razorback to be inducted into the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame, joining his former coach Eddie Sutton who was selected in 2011 and Nolan Richardson who entered in 2008. All three Arkansas legends have a banner hanging in the rafters of Bud Walton Arena.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 5:15 am
Posted on 3/29/18 at 5:20 am to pioneerbasketball
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Morgan State’s Marvin Webster
About time
Posted on 3/29/18 at 6:16 am to pioneerbasketball
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Quality thread #85
Agreed!

Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:17 am to Maytheporkbewithyou
Sidney moncrief is listed at 6'3 but leads Arkansas in career rebounds and this was also during the time where there was no 3 point line.
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 11:57 am to pioneerbasketball
It's such horse shite he's not in the hall of fame and let me explain, with a comparison to recent Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame inductee Tracy Mcgrady.
Sidney Moncrief
15.6 PPG 4.7 RPG 3.6 APG
5x NBA All-Star (1982-1986)
1 time All NBA 1st team (1983)
4 time All-NBA 2nd team (1982, 1984-86)
2x NBA Defensive Player of the year (1983, 1984) *these are the first two years of the NBA DPOY award.
4x All NBA Defensive 1st team (1983-1986)
1x ALL NBA Defensive 2nd team (1982)
Tracy McGrady
19.6 PPG 5.5 RPG 4.4 APG
7x NBA All Star (2001-2007)
2x All NBA 1st team (2002-2003)
3x All NBA 2nd team (2001,2004,2007)
2x All NBA 3rd team (2005, 2008)
2x NBA Scoring Champion (2003,2004)
NBA Most Improved Player (2001)
Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee
Ok take a good like at the stats, and let me give some context. Both players had terrible knee issues that cut their careers short. Moncrief's career was basically over in the 1986-87 season where he went from 20.2 ppg to 11.8 and stopped being a 5 time in a row ALL NBA player. T-Mac's was over around 2008-2009 when he went from a perennial all star and all nba player to another season ending injury and averaging well below his previous averages.
It is quite obvious both players careers took a huge nose dive when their knees gave out on them. Here's where I get hung up tho. How is McGrady a Hall of Famer and not Moncrief?? There wasn't even an ALL NBA 3rd team when Moncrief played. He won the innagural DPOY award and the one after that. They basically gave him the Lebron or Jordan treatment and told him "Hey we know you're the best but we're gonna let someone else win" even though they basically created the award just for him.
For 5 years he was arguably the best player at his position other than Magic Johnson. For T-MAC it was Kobe and it was slightly longer over the course of 7 years. Although he had some bad injuries in those 7 years. He was a 2x scoring champion, that is incredible. He deserves the Hall of Fame, but his resume is not THAT much more impressive than Moncrief's. It's really not. McGrady was a good but not great defender. Moncrief is one of the best defenders of all time. AND He wasn't some of these other multiple NBA DPOY award winners who couldn't score. He averaged over 20PPG for 5 consecutive seasons. (One season of 19.8 but close enough) he was AN ALL AROUND PLAYER. Something that the young Michael Jordan respected and admired because the Bucks beat Jordan 3-1 his rookie year on their way to the Eastern Conference Finals. That's the other thing about Moncrief, his teans balled in the playoffs. While never winning a championship, he got out of the 1st round 5 times as the best player on his team. T-MAC will forever be a second round virgin unless he goes into coaching.
What i think it boils down to for the committee is the length of time, and setting a bar. By not putting in Moncrief, they're saying "this is the closest you can get to being hall of fame caliber without getting in" Don't be a Moncrief. Make sure you get more than 5 All-NBA's and make sure you do more than win DPOY twice. (What a freaking joke) But that's a bunch of BS they've let in a lot of other players for less. I don't understand how or why Moncrief hasn't been voted in yet, but I know it doesn't make sense. Top 2 or 3 (you could argue Isiah Thomas) player at his position for half a decade.
TL:DR T-MAC and Sidney Moncrief had relatively similar careers, with either one being arguably more impressive than the other, which makes it bullshite Moncrief isn't in the Hall of Fame and T-Mac was a 1st ballot.
Sidney Moncrief
15.6 PPG 4.7 RPG 3.6 APG
5x NBA All-Star (1982-1986)
1 time All NBA 1st team (1983)
4 time All-NBA 2nd team (1982, 1984-86)
2x NBA Defensive Player of the year (1983, 1984) *these are the first two years of the NBA DPOY award.
4x All NBA Defensive 1st team (1983-1986)
1x ALL NBA Defensive 2nd team (1982)
Tracy McGrady
19.6 PPG 5.5 RPG 4.4 APG
7x NBA All Star (2001-2007)
2x All NBA 1st team (2002-2003)
3x All NBA 2nd team (2001,2004,2007)
2x All NBA 3rd team (2005, 2008)
2x NBA Scoring Champion (2003,2004)
NBA Most Improved Player (2001)
Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Inductee
Ok take a good like at the stats, and let me give some context. Both players had terrible knee issues that cut their careers short. Moncrief's career was basically over in the 1986-87 season where he went from 20.2 ppg to 11.8 and stopped being a 5 time in a row ALL NBA player. T-Mac's was over around 2008-2009 when he went from a perennial all star and all nba player to another season ending injury and averaging well below his previous averages.
It is quite obvious both players careers took a huge nose dive when their knees gave out on them. Here's where I get hung up tho. How is McGrady a Hall of Famer and not Moncrief?? There wasn't even an ALL NBA 3rd team when Moncrief played. He won the innagural DPOY award and the one after that. They basically gave him the Lebron or Jordan treatment and told him "Hey we know you're the best but we're gonna let someone else win" even though they basically created the award just for him.
For 5 years he was arguably the best player at his position other than Magic Johnson. For T-MAC it was Kobe and it was slightly longer over the course of 7 years. Although he had some bad injuries in those 7 years. He was a 2x scoring champion, that is incredible. He deserves the Hall of Fame, but his resume is not THAT much more impressive than Moncrief's. It's really not. McGrady was a good but not great defender. Moncrief is one of the best defenders of all time. AND He wasn't some of these other multiple NBA DPOY award winners who couldn't score. He averaged over 20PPG for 5 consecutive seasons. (One season of 19.8 but close enough) he was AN ALL AROUND PLAYER. Something that the young Michael Jordan respected and admired because the Bucks beat Jordan 3-1 his rookie year on their way to the Eastern Conference Finals. That's the other thing about Moncrief, his teans balled in the playoffs. While never winning a championship, he got out of the 1st round 5 times as the best player on his team. T-MAC will forever be a second round virgin unless he goes into coaching.
What i think it boils down to for the committee is the length of time, and setting a bar. By not putting in Moncrief, they're saying "this is the closest you can get to being hall of fame caliber without getting in" Don't be a Moncrief. Make sure you get more than 5 All-NBA's and make sure you do more than win DPOY twice. (What a freaking joke) But that's a bunch of BS they've let in a lot of other players for less. I don't understand how or why Moncrief hasn't been voted in yet, but I know it doesn't make sense. Top 2 or 3 (you could argue Isiah Thomas) player at his position for half a decade.
TL:DR T-MAC and Sidney Moncrief had relatively similar careers, with either one being arguably more impressive than the other, which makes it bullshite Moncrief isn't in the Hall of Fame and T-Mac was a 1st ballot.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:09 pm to HogFanfromHTown
TL:DR but I'm sure you made a case for Sid
Posted on 4/2/18 at 6:26 pm to HogFanfromHTown
Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:35 pm to pioneerbasketball
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Moncrief Elected To National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame
Sid the Squid?
2018?
WTF?
Man, why did this take so long?

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