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re: SEC Standings Since 1933
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:42 pm to Doc Fenton
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:42 pm to Doc Fenton
Such as?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:47 pm to Doc Fenton
I've posted my own accounting of all-time records elsewhere, but there are several screwy things that affects this stuff, which is why it's so hard to see consistent reporting of it online.
You can have stuff like Sewanee's 1940 game against Vanderbilt, which the SEC office apparently counts as a conference game, even though Sewanee has clearly already moved to being an independent that season. But then, as another poster was saying, there may have been some grandfather clauses to allow remaining teams to count their contractually agreed to games as conference games, even though the other team had already left the conference.
Then there are the rare SEC-vs-SEC bowl matchups, which I count as having occurred 10 times in history between the 1952 and 2011 seasons. Then there are the 26 SECCG.
EDIT: There's also weird stuff like Kentucky claiming a co-share of the 1976 SEC title (with UGA) retroactively in 1978, after the SEC office made MSU forfeit a 1976 conference win over UK in Jackson.
You can have stuff like Sewanee's 1940 game against Vanderbilt, which the SEC office apparently counts as a conference game, even though Sewanee has clearly already moved to being an independent that season. But then, as another poster was saying, there may have been some grandfather clauses to allow remaining teams to count their contractually agreed to games as conference games, even though the other team had already left the conference.
Then there are the rare SEC-vs-SEC bowl matchups, which I count as having occurred 10 times in history between the 1952 and 2011 seasons. Then there are the 26 SECCG.
EDIT: There's also weird stuff like Kentucky claiming a co-share of the 1976 SEC title (with UGA) retroactively in 1978, after the SEC office made MSU forfeit a 1976 conference win over UK in Jackson.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:48 pm to BHMKyle
So, the two most recent additions are both above the two before that?
Interdasting.
Interdasting.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:51 pm to BHMKyle
It's pretty amazing that Tennessee is still there given their decade of suck. Also pretty amazing that Auburn has played most those top teams on a consistent basis. I'll let some virgin with no life run the numbers for me, but I'd be shocked to see any of those teams above Auburn have on average, an overall more difficult schedule. Cough cough bear Bryant Vandy scheduling cough cough
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:52 pm to Doc Fenton
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Then there are the rare SEC-vs-SEC bowl matchups, which I count as having occurred 10 times in history between 1952 and 2011. Then there are the 26 SECCG.
EDIT: There's also weird stuff like Kentucky claiming a co-share of the 1976 SEC title (with UGA) retroactively in 1978, after the SEC office made MSU forfeit a 1976 conference win over UK in Jackson.
plus; doesn't AL have a bunch of years when they played an extra game that did not count as a conference game?
I want to say there were a few years when games against straight up OOC opponents counted as conference games (maybe even a few Auburn vs Clemson or UNC games?) to compensate for losing the GA Tech game?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:52 pm to Doc Fenton
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I've posted my own accounting of all-time records elsewhere, but there are several screwy things that affects this stuff, which is why it's so hard to see consistent reporting of it online.
You can have stuff like Sewanee's 1940 game against Vanderbilt, which the SEC office apparently counts as a conference game, even though Sewanee has clearly already moved to being an independent that season. But then, as another poster was saying, there may have been some grandfather clauses to allow remaining teams to count their contractually agreed to games as conference games, even though the other team had already left the conference.
Then there are the rare SEC-vs-SEC bowl matchups, which I count as having occurred 10 times in history between the 1952 and 2011 seasons. Then there are the 26 SECCG.
EDIT: There's also weird stuff like Kentucky claiming a co-share of the 1976 SEC title (with UGA) retroactively in 1978, after the SEC office made MSU forfeit a 1976 conference win over UK in Jackson.
SEC teams were allowed to schedule OOC teams as SEC games back then. For example, Georgia only played 5 SEC teams in 1966 but had 6 conference games (usually North or South Carolina) and shared the SEC title with Bama.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:53 pm to TigerChief10
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UT and UGA with the same amount of wins and LSU and UF with the same amount after 84 seasons. That's crazy.
I think it's just as crazy that expansion Arky and SC are 1 loss and 1 tie from the same record since joining.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:57 pm to Korin
UGA shared the title with Bama in 1966 because both had 1.000 winning percentages in conference games.
As another poster said, the SEC may have allowed UGA to count its win over GT as a conference game for that season's title chase, making it 6-0 like Bama. But I don't count those types of games as regular season SEC games.
Either way, a UGA at 5-0 or a UGA at 6-0 would have still earned a co-title with Bama that season.
As another poster said, the SEC may have allowed UGA to count its win over GT as a conference game for that season's title chase, making it 6-0 like Bama. But I don't count those types of games as regular season SEC games.
Either way, a UGA at 5-0 or a UGA at 6-0 would have still earned a co-title with Bama that season.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:59 pm to dcbl
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I want to say there were a few years when games against straight up OOC opponents counted as conference games (maybe even a few Auburn vs Clemson or UNC games?) to compensate for losing the GA Tech game?
I guess anything is possible, but I have my doubts as to whether any games against Clemson, UNC, or SCAR (pre-1992) were ever counted as conference games. Grandfathering contractually agreed upon games against Sewanee (in 1940), Tulane, or Georgia Tech seems more plausible.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 8:59 pm to Doc Fenton
Like I said, the SEC allowed teams to schedule OOC teams as conference games back then. It's not hard.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:00 pm to Korin
Show me proof of one example.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:01 pm to Doc Fenton
I just told you - North Carolina in 1966.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:02 pm to Korin
And I see no evidence that would leave me to believe that's true. It makes no sense given the facts.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:02 pm to Doc Fenton
No evidence? It's right there in the media guide.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:04 pm to Korin
What are you talking about? I don't even see North Carolina (or any explanation of the 1966 season) mentioned in that screenshot.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:05 pm to Doc Fenton
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And I see no evidence that would leave me to believe that's true. It makes no sense given the facts.
I am having a hard time finding it on google' but he is correct
a few teams counted OOC games as part of the conference record in the late 60's & UNC was definitely one of the teams
pretty sure Clemson and/or S. Carolina or NC State were as well
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:10 pm to dcbl
Holy shite. I found it--a link about "appointed games" from this board. God, that's crazy.
1954 Ole Miss vs Arkansas, 0-6 (5-1-0; conference champs)
1958 Ole Miss vs Houston, 56-7 (4-2-0; 3rd)
1965 Georgia vs Clemson, 23-9 (3-3-0; tied for 6th)
1965 Tennessee vs Clemson, 24-3 (3-1-2; tied for 3rd)
1966 Florida vs Tulane, 31-10 (5-1-0; 3rd)
1966 Georgia vs North Carolina (6-0-0; co-champions)
1966 LSU vs Tulane, 21-7 (3-3-0; 6th)
1966 Tennessee vs South Carolina, 29-17 (4-2-0; 5th)
1966 Vanderbilt vs Tulane, 12-13 (0-6-0; 9th tied for last)
1967 Georgia vs Clemson, 24-17 (4-2-0; tied for 3rd)
1967 Vanderbilt vs Tulane, 12-13 (0-6-0; 9th tied for last)
1968 Florida vs Tulane, 24-3 (3-2-1; tied 6th)
1968 LSU vs TCU, 10-7 (4-2-0; tied for 3rd)
1968 LSU vs Tulane, 34-10 (4-2-0; tied for 3rd)
1968 Mississippi State vs Texas Tech, 28-28 (0-4-2, 9th)
1968 Vanderbilt vs Tulane, 21-7 (2-3-1; 8th)
EDIT: Interestingly, it says the rule was "negated", not simply ended, in 1969.
1954 Ole Miss vs Arkansas, 0-6 (5-1-0; conference champs)
1958 Ole Miss vs Houston, 56-7 (4-2-0; 3rd)
1965 Georgia vs Clemson, 23-9 (3-3-0; tied for 6th)
1965 Tennessee vs Clemson, 24-3 (3-1-2; tied for 3rd)
1966 Florida vs Tulane, 31-10 (5-1-0; 3rd)
1966 Georgia vs North Carolina (6-0-0; co-champions)
1966 LSU vs Tulane, 21-7 (3-3-0; 6th)
1966 Tennessee vs South Carolina, 29-17 (4-2-0; 5th)
1966 Vanderbilt vs Tulane, 12-13 (0-6-0; 9th tied for last)
1967 Georgia vs Clemson, 24-17 (4-2-0; tied for 3rd)
1967 Vanderbilt vs Tulane, 12-13 (0-6-0; 9th tied for last)
1968 Florida vs Tulane, 24-3 (3-2-1; tied 6th)
1968 LSU vs TCU, 10-7 (4-2-0; tied for 3rd)
1968 LSU vs Tulane, 34-10 (4-2-0; tied for 3rd)
1968 Mississippi State vs Texas Tech, 28-28 (0-4-2, 9th)
1968 Vanderbilt vs Tulane, 21-7 (2-3-1; 8th)
EDIT: Interestingly, it says the rule was "negated", not simply ended, in 1969.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:16 pm to Doc Fenton
It's also in the book Conference Pride: The Ultimate Book about SEC Football from 1933-2016.
LINK
I think I like this book since it has us with 11 SEC titles.
LINK
I think I like this book since it has us with 11 SEC titles.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:18 pm to dcbl
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plus; doesn't AL have a bunch of years when they played an extra game that did not count as a conference game?
I don't know about that but they still won the SEC 1972 because they played an extra game over Auburn (who beat them in the infamous Punt Bama Punt game). Looks like it was either Kentucky or Vanderbilt.
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