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re: We know what we have with Gus
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:09 pm to lowspark12
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:09 pm to lowspark12
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The evaluation of HS QBs seems to be the real issue.
I'm saying it is JUCO + HS that is a problem. Here are the Gus recruits as HC/OC
09- Tyrik Rollison/Clint Moseley
10- Cam Newton
11- Kiehl Frazier
13- Jeremy Johnson / Nick Marshall
14- Sean White
15- Tyler Queen
16- Woody Barrett, JF3
Let's not forget some other top QB targets we went hard after
-Brandon Harris
-Treon Harris
-Deondre Francois
-Torrance Gibson
Marshall just looks like an outlier given the history. Sometimes coaches just get lucky rather than making a good eval
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:33 pm to GenesChin
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09- Tyrik Rollison/Clint Moseley
10- Cam Newton
11- Kiehl Frazier
13- Jeremy Johnson / Nick Marshall
14- Sean White
15- Tyler Queen
16- Woody Barrett, JF3
Let's not forget some other top QB targets we went hard after
-Brandon Harris
-Treon Harris
-Deondre Francois
-Torrance Gibson
I don't know why people work so hard to down grade Gus. You listed guys he went "hard" after, but left Watson off that list.
Bottom line is it is hard to evaluate QB's at this level and the next. There is a reason NFL coaches and GM's lose their jobs frequently from hitching their future to the wrong QB.
Saban doesn't have a great history of development, but he isn't as dependent on them as our system. IMO uga has probably done as well as anyone over the last 15 years of identifying and developing QB's and they have maybe 3 that had NFL talent. White was developed far beyond his ability and you'd probably never get any coach to admit it, but I suspect he was down our wish list. Willis in 1 season has shown small gains vs what we saw at A Day, JS got better this year. I always thought Trotter played above his pay grade, etc...
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:34 pm to GenesChin
quote:Rollison had the talent. Clint wasn't meant to be more than a backup
09- Tyrik Rollison/Clint Moseley
quote:GOAT
10- Cam Newton
quote:Mentally weak. His dad was psycho.
11- Kiehl Frazier
quote:Quarterback yips / SEC Champ and fast as Jimmy John's delivery
13- Jeremy Johnson / Nick Marshall
quote:Good and wouldn't say he was a bust. He just like Mary Jane and had bones of paper mache
14- Sean White
quote:Like Krispy Kremes too much. Bust
15- Tyler Queen
quote:Don't know what Woody would've done. Likely nothing thanks to Stidham and Malik. / JF3 was a prayer
16- Woody Barrett, JF3
quote:
17 - Malik Willis
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:39 pm to GenesChin
I think as you see this team become more balanced on offense, you will see more interest from top high school QB's. We have been known as a run first team since I started watching in the 70's. That's great for RB's and OL...not so great for WR and QB's. We already see more attraction to WR based on our current and expected frosh class coming in. In the meantime, I think Malzahn has done pretty well with the hand he's been dealt at QB. We've seen offensive production under him that has never been seen before on the Plains.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:45 pm to GenesChin
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I'm saying it is JUCO + HS that is a problem. Here are the Gus recruits as HC/OC
09- Tyrik Rollison/Clint Moseley
10- Cam Newton
11- Kiehl Frazier
13- Jeremy Johnson / Nick Marshall
14- Sean White
15- Tyler Queen
16- Woody Barrett, JF3
Let's not forget some other top QB targets we went hard after
-Brandon Harris
-Treon Harris
-Deondre Francois
-Torrance Gibson
Marshall just looks like an outlier given the history. Sometimes coaches just get lucky rather than making a good eval
With all due respect, EVERYONE was recruiting those guys. You can't make it seem like they pulled players off the scrap heap.
Except JF3...still don't get that one.
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