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Searching for a string of hope, at least we are better off

Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:36 am
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:36 am
in the public arena...

After Petrino, we were not seen in a positive light. That scandal and then the JL Smile crap show..

Our APR was terrible, our boys were getting in trouble, our rep had taken a hit.

Staying with Bert for this long has shown that we are willing to give a coach time to do his thing.

The program is in better shape from top to bottom for the next real coach to make a difference.

Or am I simply nuts?
Posted by OSqueal
Member since Jan 2011
5963 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:40 am to
Oh I still think you're nuts but you are correct.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:48 am to
I think Arkansas is in a good position right now to attract a coach who can do serious damage almost immediately.

Someone like Matt Campbell has shown he can get results right away too. That needs to factor into any decision made, if you ask me. We have talent to win now. Don't go for another five year plan.

Campbell beat Texas Tech 60 something to 10 last year with Iowa State. May be the best coach in the country. And we could get him.
Posted by russellvillehog
Member since Apr 2016
9746 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:53 am to
The talent level at the top is way down from what Bert was left. He was left future Nfl starters on the defensive line. (the thing that separates SEC teams)

The next guy will get sosa for 1 year. That is all. The next guy will get a worse offensive line than Bert was dealt (there is no swanson on this line, and he has a walk on starting just like bert started with) if we keep most of this year's recruiting class then there is a chance the next guy has 3 or more future Nfl CB's.

The bright spot is we could land a really big name and have this turned around. Honestly I think I could do a better job than Bert at this point. The next guy is just woefully thin on the lines and that sucks.
Posted by Porcine Human
Benton, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
11668 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:56 am to
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Campbell beat Texas Tech 60 something to 10 last year with Iowa State. May be the best coach in the country. And we could get him.


Maybe, but it'd cost a lot of money. His buyout is pretty large.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 11:58 am to
I was very surprised to find out that both Nick Saban and Gary Pinkel came up through Toledo. Pinkel is their all time winningest coach. Those folks at Toledo are doing some shite right. Those are damn good coaches all three.

Throw the bank at Campbell. He's a winner.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
8737 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:00 pm to
I honestly think we're in a much worse position. Petrino and Nutt both had a decent amount of success here. Bert came from another big program where he had a lot of success, and made it look like it's next to impossible to win at Arkansas. Unless this season turns around, he will have given us two of the worst seasons in program history. I think to the general public Arkansas is now seen as on the same tier program as Kentucky and Miss St, where as after 2012 we were more on the same tier as A&M.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
24011 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:45 pm to
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The Sultan of Swine


My disagreement with what you said, isn't a lot.. but people should consider what CBB was left with, how he had never built anything and was used by the puppet master at Wisky and set up for success.

Folks will remember Petrino and God help us.. Nutt as well.

For others, Our lines aren't good at all, but there have been some boys sitting on the bench who were higher rated than some playing. Scheme and the offensive strategy has something to do with it as well. A coach who knows his teams weaknesses and strengths will utilize that to his favor.

our skill guys look pretty good, with some coaching...

Ok...
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:55 pm to
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For others, Our lines aren't good at all, but there have been some boys sitting on the bench who were higher rated than some playing. Scheme and the offensive strategy has something to do with it as well. A coach who knows his teams weaknesses and strengths will utilize that to his favor.


IMO, what has happened here is Bert messed up by switching offensive philosophy mid stream. Dan Enos wasn't the right hire. I mean, I think Enos is terrific, but he was brought into a team that had been recruiting for running the ball between the tackles with the task of implementing a screen game.

Everyone remember Chaney saying he couldn't run screens in his offense? He couldn't! Because they didn't have the right athletes. So Enos comes in and says "by God, we are gonna run screen plays if I have to start this walk-on over this Army all American."

Not his fault. That's his system that Bielema wanted.

Bielema mismanaged his personnel. Because this is his first build.

If Bielema sticks with it he will eventually be successful. We just screwed up letting him cut his teeth here.
Posted by Killean
Port Charlotte, FL
Member since Nov 2010
4669 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:46 pm to
Ultimately Bielema failed because his philosophy of running the ball doesn't work.


You can't be bigger and just force it. You have to actually be more athletic and fast.


Our running game became worse every season under Bielema.
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
8737 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:39 pm to
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Ultimately Bielema failed because his philosophy of running the ball doesn't work


I agree with you but it's not that you can't be a run heavy offense and win (not saying that's what you're trying to say).

Spread run/option is the sweet spot right now in CFB for teams that aren't recruiting in the top 10 every year. The scheme allows the offense to have advantage without just lining up and out-talenting the other team.

You can do the same thing with an air raid system, but it's more prone to quick 3 and outs and tends to put the defense in a tougher spot.

Ultimately you still need athletes but you can do a lot of damage with a few good skill position players and average O-line play.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
26738 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

Ultimately Bielema failed because his philosophy of running the ball doesn't work.


You can't be bigger and just force it. You have to actually be more athletic and fast.


Our running game became worse every season under Bielema.


I would agree but plenty of teams run the ball and win on a regular basis. Not all of them at the level of Bama either. We are not, despite everyone in the press and half of the board saying so, a power run team.

No, if we want to point to one part of his philosophy that doomed us, its not running the ball, its not having a pro style offense, its not even why bother coaching special teams.

Its that he deeply believes that if you take it easy in the off season then your players will be fresh at the end of the season.

He has enshrined being lazy as something to strive for. That is what has doomed his stay at Arkansas.
Posted by Killean
Port Charlotte, FL
Member since Nov 2010
4669 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:43 pm to
Running the ball is fantastic.. Bielema's way of running the ball is not.


He thought that pure size would wear the opponent down. Instead, our teams wear the frick down and fold.


You need more athletic people.. not fatter people.



How many Bielema Offensive linemen from Arkansas are starting in the NFL?
Posted by hilltophog
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Sep 2016
1619 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:53 pm to
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Bielema's way of running the ball is not.

Truth right here.

The biggest thing I don't understand is the blocking technique in which he's tried for our running game. Under both Pittman and Anderson the offensive line resorts to standing straight up and titty bumping.

I'd rather have an offensive line full of 280 lbs. mean sons of bitches who can stay low, drive their shoulder through the gut/groin of the defender and move the line forward 3 yards. Fire off the ball with a killer instinct. The major advantages you have on offense is that you know where the play is designed to go and you know the snap count. Bring the fight to the defense when the ball is snapped. Don't catch blocks.

Also, if a defender cheap shots your QB or rips down your runningback by their face mask you call a designated high low on that a-hole.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

Ultimately Bielema failed because his philosophy of running the ball doesn't work.



I disagree with this. Worked for him quite well at Wisconsin. He had three 1,000 yard backs in the same year. He knows how to run the ball. He just didn't know how to get Arkansas to that point that he COULD run the ball at ease. He didn't know how to build the roster.

I'm perfectly confident he is a fantastic coach. His number of players sent to the NFL is all the evidence a person needs to see to know the guy isn't a bum.
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5560 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 3:18 pm to
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I disagree with this. Worked for him quite well at Wisconsin. He had three 1,000 yard backs in the same year. He knows how to run the ball. He just didn't know how to get Arkansas to that point that he COULD run the ball at ease. He didn't know how to build the roster.


I just don't think it's going to work for a non-elite team in the SEC. The Big 10 has some great players, but you're trying to line-up and run against 4 and 5 star future NFLers in most SEC games.
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