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Great stuff from Dennis Dodd on the Press Box
Posted on 10/17/17 at 7:46 pm
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:43 am to Zou brownmajic
Also talked about Les Miles' interest in Missouri for what, two years running now?
Back up the truck, pack Odom up, and get him the hell out of here.
It was mentioned that Les would embrace the spread offense if he came back to coaching. I think if you can get Les to give up control over the offense to a guy who knows his shite and can recruit a QB, you do it. Les never had any other issue recruiting any other position. Stud RBs galore. Give control to the O (clock management too really) and we can start to salvage Pinkel's legacy and pave the way for a real, younger HC a few years down the road.
I want Odom gone. Don't give a frick if he starts beating up the sister's of the poor and garbage teams like Vandy and UT. What a barometer of success to beat total shite half way through the season.
Back up the truck, pack Odom up, and get him the hell out of here.
It was mentioned that Les would embrace the spread offense if he came back to coaching. I think if you can get Les to give up control over the offense to a guy who knows his shite and can recruit a QB, you do it. Les never had any other issue recruiting any other position. Stud RBs galore. Give control to the O (clock management too really) and we can start to salvage Pinkel's legacy and pave the way for a real, younger HC a few years down the road.
I want Odom gone. Don't give a frick if he starts beating up the sister's of the poor and garbage teams like Vandy and UT. What a barometer of success to beat total shite half way through the season.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:49 am to Zou brownmajic
Good info. Thanks for sharing. 
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:54 am to Athos
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It was mentioned that Les would embrace the spread offense if he came back to coaching. I think if you can get Les to give up control over the offense to a guy who knows his shite and can recruit a QB, you do it. Les never had any other issue recruiting any other position. Stud RBs galore. Give control to the O
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Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:54 am to Wtodd
I'm on board..."Les would walk to Mizzou"...dude wants to work.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:03 am to MIZ58
I would take Les. Everyone will complain about his age but if you screw up the hire to replace HCBO that person will only be there 3 yrs. So your last two head coaches averaged 2.5 yrs of employment at MU
Posted on 10/18/17 at 11:49 am to outlawjoseywales
I’ve been advocating for Les since the Purdue game. I know he’s older but i’m good with getting 5 years from him to improve recruuting relationships and get us consistently winning 8 games a season. Then he can retire and we get another big name coach.
Les is an amazing recruiter and that’s where our problem begins. Sure he makes bad in game decisions, especially with the clock, but we need to right the ship. The SEZ would be finished by then, so we would be much more able to compete recruiting in the SEC.
Les is an amazing recruiter and that’s where our problem begins. Sure he makes bad in game decisions, especially with the clock, but we need to right the ship. The SEZ would be finished by then, so we would be much more able to compete recruiting in the SEC.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:32 pm to Wtodd
I don't think you can give up the opportunity of a Les Miles team running the spread when you have the opportunity.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:33 pm to pauliebleaker
You guys are crazy wanting Miles.
He was ran out of LSU because he couldn't win enough there. That situation, probably one of the five best situations in the sport, and he wasn't winning enough. He's displayed being bullheaded enough not to adapt his system to the current landscape. He's 64 years old.
To think he has the fire, ability or desire to take on a rebuild is insane to me. More than likely, he's looking for a retirement contract where he can make another 15M.
We need a rising up and comer. Someone who is younger with something to prove and on an upward trajectory.
Way too focused on a "name". It might bring a temporary hint of excitement back to the program, but building something lasting will take wins and not a guy who is always 1 step from retirement.
He was 28-21 16-16 at Oklahoma St. are we angling for consistent 6/7 win seasons? I know that's better than where we are now, but is that really going to make any of you happy?
He was ran out of LSU because he couldn't win enough there. That situation, probably one of the five best situations in the sport, and he wasn't winning enough. He's displayed being bullheaded enough not to adapt his system to the current landscape. He's 64 years old.
To think he has the fire, ability or desire to take on a rebuild is insane to me. More than likely, he's looking for a retirement contract where he can make another 15M.
We need a rising up and comer. Someone who is younger with something to prove and on an upward trajectory.
Way too focused on a "name". It might bring a temporary hint of excitement back to the program, but building something lasting will take wins and not a guy who is always 1 step from retirement.
He was 28-21 16-16 at Oklahoma St. are we angling for consistent 6/7 win seasons? I know that's better than where we are now, but is that really going to make any of you happy?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:40 pm to JesusQuintana
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He was ran out of LSU because he couldn't win enough there
Expectations at LSU are a bit higher than in CoMo. IF BO averaged 8-9 wins a year, there would be a statue of him.
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To think he has the fire, ability or desire to take on a rebuild
This is a legit question
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:47 pm to Wtodd
Expectations are higher because the ceiling is higher.
LSU is likely the best recruiting situation in the entire nation. A lot of the reason he was let go stems from him losing some of that incredible advantage.
I don't think hiring him would be a "disaster" but at best we are simply buying time until we have to make a long term hire. At worst, he doesn't have the desire or ability to get us going in the right direction and we're still bad with a coach in his mid 60s.
If we are making a change, let's just skip this 3-4 yr window of nothingness entirely and make a long term hire.
LSU is likely the best recruiting situation in the entire nation. A lot of the reason he was let go stems from him losing some of that incredible advantage.
I don't think hiring him would be a "disaster" but at best we are simply buying time until we have to make a long term hire. At worst, he doesn't have the desire or ability to get us going in the right direction and we're still bad with a coach in his mid 60s.
If we are making a change, let's just skip this 3-4 yr window of nothingness entirely and make a long term hire.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:55 pm to JesusQuintana
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We need a rising up and comer. Someone who is younger with something to prove and on an upward trajectory.
Speaking of younger and up&coming, 247 reports Brock Olivo has eliminated Rock Bridge and we are now in his top six potential opportunities. James Foster remains in his ear so I feel good about it.
Just think, with BOback Mountain just a wistful memory JQ rises up the fanboy ranks rapidly to become a Major in the Brock Brigade.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 12:59 pm to JesusQuintana
Clawson from Wake Forrest or Mendenhall could be some P5 coaches to consider.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 1:01 pm to muinsandiegp
Stop up voting yourself.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 1:18 pm to JesusQuintana
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If we are making a change, let's just skip this 3-4 yr window of nothingness entirely and make a long term hire.
The problem with hiring an up & comer is we won't be able to keep him IF we're successful, as in SEC Champ successful. Our pockets aren't as deep.
I don't have a problem if we hired Les but I sure as hell hope Les would stay the hell away from the offense.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 1:20 pm to JesusQuintana
Im not saying i wouldn’t like an up and comer JQ. I just don’t think it’s realistic to get a great one. There will be competition from some very legendary programs. Tennessee for sure, maybe a&M, arky and that’s only in the SEC. Ucla is looking.
I dont want this to be a widenhofer/stull transition. I want another larry smith. He had been coach at usc and az. He brought us back to a bowl and set the cornerstone for building the team up again.
I dont want this to be a widenhofer/stull transition. I want another larry smith. He had been coach at usc and az. He brought us back to a bowl and set the cornerstone for building the team up again.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 1:52 pm to JesusQuintana
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He was ran out of LSU because he couldn't win enough there. That situation, probably one of the five best situations in the sport, and he wasn't winning enough. He's displayed being bullheaded enough not to adapt his system to the current landscape. He's 64 years old.
If he's honest about being open to adopting the spread and turning over the O, I simply do not agree.
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To think he has the fire, ability or desire to take on a rebuild is insane to me. More than likely, he's looking for a retirement contract where he can make another 15M.
He may not have the younger man's fire, but what makes you think he wouldn't want the opportunity to face Saban in the SEC Tourny and even upset him with Missouri of all teams?
Also, what makes you think he doesn't wanna prove he can still be a winner? Nothing.
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Way too focused on a "name". It might bring a temporary hint of excitement back to the program, but building something lasting will take wins and not a guy who is always 1 step from retirement.
And there's absolutely ZERO excitement currently and it's getting lesser each passing week.
I'd rather kick Odom's sorry arse out the door now and use Miles as a bridge than stuck dick in hand as all other up and coming and experienced HC drop like flies to other programs.
Sure I'd like a young hot shot who wants to build something great. If that guy isn't available next year, however, Miles is a massive upgrade and could hire a DC/OC that could be groomed to take over HC duties.
He's still got name power in the recruiting game. No it's not LSU territory, but he'd do a better job than Barry and certainly not worse than GP. Probably better honestly.
At least we'd have a fricking defense that would play disciplined ball than the shite show we currently have.
Long story short, if Miles is available, I'd have him on the back seat now as the #1 fallback with the thinking that Barry has coached his last pathetic season of football in this state.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 1:57 pm to Athos
There are other options that I would prefer over Les but at least the team would play hard and with heart. I hate how soft this team is.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 2:12 pm to JesusQuintana
Double post
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 10/18/17 at 2:41 pm to Athos
Athos, you have to understand JQ's underlying psychology when you take in his posts.
Unlike most of us fervant fans of MU and its sports programs JQ intrinsically believes that inherently there are immovable barriers to true sustained success much less excellence. "We can't compare, we will never be able to compete with,,,for.., we don't have enough local talent blah blah"
What he does is subliminal sometimes overt lowering of the bar of success and simultaneously building in excuses. Thus attempting to mute the fervant fans who believe that there is no reason or excuse that THE State University should be accepting mediocrity or worse. Those who expect and or demadnd better simply do not get it.
Unlike most of us fervant fans of MU and its sports programs JQ intrinsically believes that inherently there are immovable barriers to true sustained success much less excellence. "We can't compare, we will never be able to compete with,,,for.., we don't have enough local talent blah blah"
What he does is subliminal sometimes overt lowering of the bar of success and simultaneously building in excuses. Thus attempting to mute the fervant fans who believe that there is no reason or excuse that THE State University should be accepting mediocrity or worse. Those who expect and or demadnd better simply do not get it.
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