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re: Georgia Tech vs Tennessee - Am I Crazy?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 9:53 am to ImayGoLesMiles
Posted on 6/30/17 at 9:53 am to ImayGoLesMiles
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Its way too early to predict this game. You havent seen either team play this year so you really hAve no clue what they have.
You do realize that we can't wait until we see the teams play to predict this game, right?
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 9:58 am to TRUERockyTop
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Georgia Tech will be trotting out a first year QB and replaces a ton of players on their roster.
Uh no. We bring back a ton of starters and part time starters and the QB is a junior that does have some experience. He started the VA Tech game last year in Blacksburg. We won 30-20 in a game that wasn't that close.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:01 am to ChopBlockOclock
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Last thing I'll say on this game. Why do you think GT runs the option? One of the best things about running the option is it's ability to equal the playing field regarding talent and athleticism. When GT was prostyle we had a huge problem with talent deficiencies with respect to opposing teams. Since we have had the option we have played UGA a lot more competitively and won a lot more and the same applies to Clemson and FSU. Those 3 programs are tragically more talented than GT, yet GT gives them fits. I think over PJ's time at GT we are 5-4 with Clemson. Trust me, GT players and fans aren't worried about UT's athleticism. GT has some of their own too.
Agreed. The talent and athleticism has almost nothing to do with matching up with GT. Does it help? Absolutely. But if you're not disciplined, it doesn't matter how quick, fast, or strong you are - they're running by you.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:08 am to BuzzSaw 12
Was he the QB that played against Georgia?
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 10:09 am
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:15 am to TRUERockyTop
No. Justin Thomas started that game. Pretty sure Matthew Jordan did play some against GA though. He usually played a little in all of our games. Short yardage and goal line situations mostly.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:18 am to ChopBlockOclock
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Last thing I'll say on this game. Why do you think GT runs the option? One of the best things about running the option is it's ability to equal the playing field regarding talent and athleticism. When GT was prostyle we had a huge problem with talent deficiencies with respect to opposing teams. Since we have had the option we have played UGA a lot more competitively and won a lot more and the same applies to Clemson and FSU. Those 3 programs are tragically more talented than GT, yet GT gives them fits. I think over PJ's time at GT we are 5-4 with Clemson. Trust me, GT players and fans aren't worried about UT's athleticism. GT has some of their own too.
Why did GT have talent deficiencies in the past? You are sitting in one of the most talent rich areas in the entire country. It seems like if your AD fully supported a coach that is even decent in recruiting then GT would rack up. I would personally be pissed if Tennessee brought in a poor recruiter to run a gimmick offense to make up for it. I am obviously not well versed in GT football history.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:21 am to gatorhata9
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Agreed. The talent and athleticism has almost nothing to do with matching up with GT. Does it help? Absolutely. But if you're not disciplined, it doesn't matter how quick, fast, or strong you are - they're running by you.
This is where it is a major concern for Tennessee. We will start two inexperienced DEs that the bold most likely describes perfectly. Our LB corps as whole has the potential to be below average. GT could easily look like a buzzsaw against us.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:40 am to BuzzSaw 12
Justin Thomas really impressed me throughout his time there. What's the thought process on the next man up?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 11:46 am to TRUERockyTop
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Justin Thomas really impressed me throughout his time there. What's the thought process on the next man up?
JT5 will be difficult to replace, but if Matthew Jordan is the starter, as we expect, he brings a different skill set. He started the game against VT last year when JT5 was injured, and absolutely destroyed Bud's defense. ChopBlockOClock mentioned how Thomas was too small to run the midline, but Jordan is a bruiser, and VT had no answer for him.
I think this will be the best game of week 1. I really love playing the teams I grew up watching my alma mater play, and the GT-UT series was one of my favorites.
And, for those of you whining about knee injuries, quit believing everything you read from people who don't know what they are talking about. Our blocking scheme doesn't generate any more injuries than any other.
I'll be there. Meet us at the tailgate and I'll hand you a beer.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:02 pm to Rules
Thanks for the insight. Definitely looking forward to the matchup and going to watch some film on Jordan. I hate that the game is on a Monday night as most of us have work on Tuesday morning which will make it hard for a large part of the fanbase to make the trip.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 2:21 pm to oleyeller
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Our defense will be better this year than last year. We had more injuries than probably anyone in the country last yr on defense. The only concern with ga tech is our dlines knees. This will be a cake game we win by 14+
Posted on 6/30/17 at 2:38 pm to BuzzSaw 12
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Uh no. We bring back a ton of starters and part time starters and the QB is a junior that does have some experience. He started the VA Tech game last year in Blacksburg. We won 30-20 in a game that wasn't that close.
There is no doubt that GT is a run first (and second) offense. Jordan was 2-7 passing in that blowout victory...but he ran the ball 32 times for 121 yards. If UT can't slow down the run, it will be a long night.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 4:26 pm to Kraven Moorehed
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Why did GT have talent deficiencies in the past? You are sitting in one of the most talent rich areas in the entire country. It seems like if your AD fully supported a coach that is even decent in recruiting then GT would rack up. I would personally be pissed if Tennessee brought in a poor recruiter to run a gimmick offense to make up for it. I am obviously not well versed in GT football history.
Before Johnson was hired, they had tougher academic standards than the NCAA minimum. They also didn't offer any "athlete" majors such as Sociology, Psychology, etc... like you find at liberal arts schools. I'm pretty sure that all their areas of study have Calc pre-requisites too. So it was tough for kids to qualify and even if they did meet Tech's standards, they may have wanted to pursue a degree not offered to them by GT. Remember, Paul Johnson came from Navy, probably the toughest place to recruit any football player in addition to the other service academies. Elite academic standards, congressional nomination, 4 years of postgrad service, and you have to be good at football as well. So he knew how to recruit and win with a small pool of potential recruits.
I think in 2014 or so that changed where recruits only have to meet the NCAA minimum to qualify and there's also a major that's more liberal arts focused but still requires calc.
At this point the damage has already been done and it doesn't help that it's super tough to convince elite kids to play in the triple option system. Asking wide receivers to block 95% of the time is going to appeal to a 4* wide out. They can forget recruiting any elite QB talent.
At this point, it doesn't really make sense to change. Tech fans are generally pleased with Johnson even though they'll probably never compete for a championship while he's there.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:50 am to gatorhata9
Sorry for the bump. Stumbled on this via another board.
Lots of talk about the Transitive Property in this thread, which is usually a pretty shiet way of predicting games, but in the GT/UT case, we actually have a whole pile of shared opponents last year we can look at.
We both beat VT, and the games were pretty similar, in that VT wet the bed on turnovers against both of us.
We both beat UGA on the final play. I would argue our final play took a little less luck, but I'd call those outcomes similar.
We both beat Kentucky, in about the same fashion.
The shared opponent with different results was Vandy. GT 38-7, UT 34-45. There was a UT injury issue in this game that accounts for some of it, but as badly as we beat Vandy I think we could have still probably easily beaten them with a lot of 2nd stringers in.
Both teams were 9-4. GT actually did a lot better against the SEC East last year (3-0) than we did in our own ACC division (3-3), so chances are good that if GT was in the SEC East we would have placed ahead of Tennessee in 2016. Maybe not by much though, it would be tight.
We both return a majority of our starters, and we both lost a dynamic QB that our offense revolved around. GT's replacement has some quality experience, including one start, but he's going to have to make some big improvements in his game to be as good as Justin Thomas was.
On paper, this thing looks dead even to me. It's probably going to come down to how much time UT spent in the spring prepping against the option. That and turnovers.
Lots of talk about the Transitive Property in this thread, which is usually a pretty shiet way of predicting games, but in the GT/UT case, we actually have a whole pile of shared opponents last year we can look at.
We both beat VT, and the games were pretty similar, in that VT wet the bed on turnovers against both of us.
We both beat UGA on the final play. I would argue our final play took a little less luck, but I'd call those outcomes similar.
We both beat Kentucky, in about the same fashion.
The shared opponent with different results was Vandy. GT 38-7, UT 34-45. There was a UT injury issue in this game that accounts for some of it, but as badly as we beat Vandy I think we could have still probably easily beaten them with a lot of 2nd stringers in.
Both teams were 9-4. GT actually did a lot better against the SEC East last year (3-0) than we did in our own ACC division (3-3), so chances are good that if GT was in the SEC East we would have placed ahead of Tennessee in 2016. Maybe not by much though, it would be tight.
We both return a majority of our starters, and we both lost a dynamic QB that our offense revolved around. GT's replacement has some quality experience, including one start, but he's going to have to make some big improvements in his game to be as good as Justin Thomas was.
On paper, this thing looks dead even to me. It's probably going to come down to how much time UT spent in the spring prepping against the option. That and turnovers.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 11:52 am
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:44 pm to gatorhata9
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Am I crazy to think that Georgia Tech wins by double digits in this one?
Georgia Tech is a hard team to prepare for in a short time period, say a week. But, having the entire off season to prepare gives Tennessee a big advantage over most teams that play Tech. I think Tennessee wins it.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 3:45 pm
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