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re: The 7th/8th best SEC team is a touchdown underdog vs. the 4th/5th best ACC team
Posted on 12/29/16 at 10:17 am to BayouBengals03
Posted on 12/29/16 at 10:17 am to BayouBengals03
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I agree about the coaches. I've been on that train for as while now. The SEC has some very mediocre coaches.
At least in large part a product of Saban, I think. When one coach in a conference becomes dominant, the others either get run off (Miles, Richt, soon to be Sumlin, Bielema, Jones), give up (Spurrier) or leave for an easier place (Meyer). Any coach who stays becomes less successful because they lose recruits to the dominant program. Saban has been poaching top players from Louisiana the last few years, and I think that has contributed to LSU's decline. He's pretty much killed Auburn in-state, and can take just about anyone he wants from any other surrounding states. That naturally hurts the schools from those states.
Alabama is killing the rest of the SEC with Saban now just like they did with Bryant in the '70s.
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Posted on 12/29/16 at 10:22 am to Nuts4LSU
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When one coach in a conference becomes dominant, the others either get run off (Miles, Richt, soon to be Sumlin, Bielema, Jones
I've just never agreed with this line of thinking. Obviously saban is about 100 miles ahead of anyone else in the league, but this whole mindset of "saban is so good that everyone else got run off" just isn't correct IMO. Richt was winning 10 games a year when saban entered the SEC, when saban left the SEC, and when saban returned to the SEC. Richt got fired because he'd been here 15 years and wasn't taking us to the next level and we hadn't won the conference in 10 years.
Yes, I realize the argument to that is going to be "well if it wasn't for saban richt may have won more" but that's not really the point. Unless you win the title, there's always going to be someone that got in your way. Our 02 title shot was lost because of zook. We had a great team in 05 but lost to 2 teams we shouldn't (neither of which were saban). In 07 we had a great team but lost to fulmer and spurrier. 2012 we lost directly because of/to saban, but richt didn't get fired after 2015 because of a game he lost 3 years prior.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 10:23 am to Nuts4LSU
I think it's safe to say that the SEC currently has the worst head coaches in the entire power 5.
ACC: Dabo, Jimbo, Fuente, Petrino, Fedora, etc.
Big10: Meyer, Dantonio, Franklin, Harbaugh, Fitzgerald, etc.
Big12: Stoops, Snyder, Gundy, Patterson, Herman, Holgorsen, etc.
Pac12: Petersen, Leach, Shaw, Whittingham, Graham, Taggart
SEC: Saban, Mullen, Bielema, Gus, Freeze, McElwain
ACC: Dabo, Jimbo, Fuente, Petrino, Fedora, etc.
Big10: Meyer, Dantonio, Franklin, Harbaugh, Fitzgerald, etc.
Big12: Stoops, Snyder, Gundy, Patterson, Herman, Holgorsen, etc.
Pac12: Petersen, Leach, Shaw, Whittingham, Graham, Taggart
SEC: Saban, Mullen, Bielema, Gus, Freeze, McElwain
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 10:26 am
Posted on 12/29/16 at 11:02 am to Nuts4LSU
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Saban has been poaching top players from Louisiana the last few years, and I think that has contributed to LSU's decline. He's pretty much killed Auburn in-state, and can take just about anyone he wants from any other surrounding states. That naturally hurts the schools from those states.
I think this a bit overblown. Bama can only recruit 25-30 players every year, there's still a substantial amount of talent available for everyone else (especially in the south). The coaching is just mediocre in the SEC right now.
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