re: So let's talk about Saban's tree.

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Lol. Let's forget the fact that many of the same principles Saban employs on defense are used by Muschamp. Which, by the way, are very similar to those used by Stallings and Oliver. But yeah, that one year as GA at Auburn with Oliver, versus five years with Saban at LSU. That's a shallow argument at best.

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There are not that many diverse defensive schemes out there that have not been copied by other coaches. You bammers want to believe Saban invented Defense, The shallow argument is about how the five years with Saban trumps the 40+ years that a coach lives. You can give Kirby and some of the other long time assistants to Saban, but the others (including Dooley) have been influence by a lot of coaches. Any coach that has sniffed Saban's crotch is going to claim his principles right now. It sounds good in interviews.