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$75Million in corporate welfare from Ft. Fresh

Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:33 pm
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:33 pm
The Pennsylvania company that committed to taking over the never finished Mitsubishi Power Systems plant in Chaffee Crossing (it's a huge arse building btw) just got $75 million from Ft. Smith in the form of bonds being issued to cover the $80 Milllion pledged by the company to get the plant up and going creating 80 something jobs.

Pretty sweet deal for Glatfelter. In addition to the $75M from the bond issuance the state also kicked in $2 million in incentives and they get a $100 Milllion plant that has never been used all for a little more than $3 Million out of pocket for them.

For those that don't know why the plant was never opened, Mitsubishi was sued by General Electric for patent infringement in federal court and that held up the project and delayed promised jobs and reduced the supply of wind generators to the global market keeping the prices for those G.E. products up. The suit was dismissed in 2014, but G.E. has kept the suit going in other jurisdistricts so Mitsubishi cut their losses.

Glatfelter has to pay all the debt service requirements on the bonds, city of Ft. Smith holds the bag if Glatfelter goes belly up before the term of the bonds expire I assume.


fwiw, the payroll for the majority of the jobs that will be created will be $18-$22Million over a 10 year period



Here's some of sweetening of the pot Glatfelter gets.

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Along with the the industrial development revenue bond issue, which will gain the company a lower interest rate, Dingman's memo said Glatfelter will make payments in lieu of property taxes for 15 years that will be equal to 35 percent of what it would normally pay each year in property taxes.


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The Arkansas Economic Development Commission offered Glatfelter an incentive package that included $2 million from the Governor's Quick Action Closing Fund. The company also will receive a cash rebate equal to 3.9 percent of its Fort Smith payroll for 10 years and sales tax refunds on building materials, taxable machinery and equipment for the plant.



So how do I get out of 65% of my property taxes for 15 years?

Corporate Welfare really seems like socialist policy to me, I thought capitalism was meant to weed out the weak, lazy and bloated and the strongest survive on efficiency, quality and competitive pricing.

Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
18359 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:50 pm to
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Corporate Welfare really seems like socialist policy to me


Huh?

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I thought capitalism was meant to weed out the weak, lazy and bloated and the strongest survive on efficiency, quality and competitive pricing.


Lol. That's the narrative the rich man wants to feed you. It only benefits the rich. If it doesn't then they manipulate the rules to make it benefit them.
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
13163 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 3:56 pm to
So, nearly a million bucks per job?
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 4:16 pm to
I'd just rather Arkansas invest in startups and companies based here to create and keep jobs here.

Instead of being a slightly worse option than Mexico for Northern companies.

Southern right to work states that were anti-union were what Mexico is today in the 70's and 80's.


Guess I'm a little salty over Ford putting their $1.6 Billion plant in Mexico, but I can't blame them for not wanting to capitulate to UAW.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
4918 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 4:19 pm to
Glatfelter, though, is a solid company. You can't fault them for trying to negotiate the best deal they can. Fort Smith is also really trying to make a push toward recovery and activity. Landing a business such as this has larger rippled effects than just the pure economic factor of wages paid to employees.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 4:33 pm to
oh yea it's a cherry deal for them.

I'm all for anything that is progress and churns economic activity. Just wondering if Ft. Smith will keep thier traps shut about ecological contamination like they did for Whirlpool.
Posted by 1hogfan
AR
Member since Dec 2008
114 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 5:48 pm to
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Glatfelter has to pay all the debt service requirements on the bonds


It appears based on the information provided (quoted above) that they will in fact be out much more than the $3 Million out of pocket mentioned. They have to pay the payments to the bond holders.

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city of Ft. Smith holds the bag if Glatfelter goes belly up before the term of the bonds expire I assume


Unless, of course, they default.

Am I wrong in this?
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
37190 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 6:19 pm to
Fort Fresh


Posted by PygmalionEffect
Member since Jul 2012
4834 posts
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:17 pm to
Jindal loved these corporate welfare deals in Louisiana so he could keep stats on how many jobs he bought, I mean created.

Thought it would get him in contention for the presidency.

Terrible republican governor and another failure for trickle down.

Louisiana is in deep debt because republican officials tend to be dead beats that love to cut taxes for their rich friends while just throwing it on to the debt pile.


Now Louisiana just increased their state wide sales tax by 20% in an effort to avoid a delay in services.


Arkansas has historically been a lot smarter than Louisiana in their ability to govern. I hope they don't start screwing up or you guys can look forward to a tax increase on the middle class.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6692 posts
Posted on 4/7/16 at 10:59 am to
Fort Smith could really benefit from I-49 being completed between them and Texarkana. It is currently not a bad location for east-west corridor, but horrible for north-south transportation.

No efficient route for potential manufacturers to get parts/supplies from Mexico without having to go through Little Rock or Oklahoma.

Too bad state legislature and government are too busy sticking their thumbs in their asses to bump up the gas tax (which is the only fair tax for road use) while prices are low.
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
13163 posts
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:08 am to
Redirect $70 million, plus whatever the AHTD wants to throw at a stupid 10-lane I-30 bridge and you could make some headway on I-49. Fort Smith mfg will boom if they ever have a direct route to the Port of Houston.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:39 pm to
With as prevalent as trucking is you'd think the forms in the state would've already had that Houston connection done 25 years ago.

Connecting Texarkana to Jonesboro and I-55 and NWA and the commerce here being that Texarkana is our entry into Texas seems logical but I figure Clinton wanted to keep Mena as remote as possible.
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
37190 posts
Posted on 4/7/16 at 5:02 pm to
Doubt Ft. Fresh will ever boom again.

They run off everything that's positive and under budget things that are good for the city.

Go out to Ben Geren and take a peek around.

Holiday Inn downtown..
LOLOLOLOL

In 1976 you had to go to Fayetteville to get a Tattoo..

10-20 years behind, always have and always will.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 4/7/16 at 5:27 pm to
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They run off everything that's positive and under budget things that are good for the city.

Go out to Ben Geren and take a peek around.

All this. I live in the fort and everyone was bitching about the new water park being built. People were literally upset that there was a reason to come to Fort Smith. And people were saying "they should have used that money to create jobs!"

As if having the only water park for miles around wouldn't bring in at least a little tourism, as well as create revenue for lifeguards, ticket sellers, construction crews, pool maintenance crews, etc.

Not to mention out-of-towners spending money other places while they're here.

The people here are stuck in the past. Can't wait to move to NWA soon.
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
15695 posts
Posted on 4/7/16 at 5:31 pm to
Won't make a dent, a bridge over the Arkansas River is estimated at $250-500M
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2008
37190 posts
Posted on 4/7/16 at 5:57 pm to
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Can't wait to move to NWA soon.


Come on up, life is good on the hill, jobs are plenty.

40 years in that shite town was 40 years too long.

Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
4918 posts
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:06 am to
I don't have as long of a history as some of you with Fort Smith, but I've recently started doing a lot of work in the community there. While it may just be the people I work with, I'd say that things are definitely improving down there. It seems a lot of the apathetic "old guard" are on the way out, and there's a new generation that are actually all about trying to improve the city (Sam Sicard, Steve Clark, Rodney Ghan, etc..). There seems to be a lot of positive energy starting to build.


Posted by Miz Piggy
La Petite Roche
Member since Jan 2012
3171 posts
Posted on 4/8/16 at 12:16 pm to
I grew up in the Fort and while I'd never want to live there again, I have a fondness for it. I sincerely hope they are able to make some improvements, but it seems like as long as I can remember, I've been hearing about the next big thing that's going to revitalize the city, yet it remains the same.

Best of luck to them, I hope they prove me wrong.
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
15695 posts
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:04 pm to
A $500M consent order for the wastewater system will help push some people toward retirement
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