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re: Ranking the Trenches (Offensive + Defensive Line)
Posted on 4/1/16 at 3:06 pm to scrooster
Posted on 4/1/16 at 3:06 pm to scrooster
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Yeah ... because we all know that that's exactly how you do it - you base everything on the previous season's numbers. Works every time ... amirite?
I mean, I'm not sure how else you'd do it.
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Then again, historically, using that methodolgy almost never works ... or, correct me if I'm wrong but last season Auburn was picked to win the entire SEC and the year before that SCAR was picked to win the East.
Picking who will win leagues is a little more complex and difficult than identifying the best position groups, but sure.
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Newly signed talent
The lines (along with QB) are the hardest places for true freshmen to contribute.
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SCAR has better talent on both sides of the trench, and depth, than at least four of the programs you have listed above ... maybe more. But hey, I'll split the difference with you and say .... somewhere between 10th and 12th for now, even though I believe we'll finish higher by season's end.
That all sounds fine, but comparing them to other teams in the league I have a hard time moving them above anywhere around 12 on either side of the ball. Maybe offense up to 10 or 11, but no way on defense. Arkansas is 9th, Georgia is 10th, State is 11th. Maybe you could argue with Kentucky or Vanderbilt, but Vanderbilt has proven they can play solid up front defense. Kentucky, sure, flip a coin. Who exactly (other than Kentucky) would you put South Carolina's D-line in front of?
Offensive Line, maybe 10th? I wouldn't put them any higher than that. And they have just as many question marks as State or Vanderbilt (and Kentucky returns 4 of their linemen).
Posted on 4/1/16 at 3:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I'll help rooster out with some justifications.
On OL, you're right that we lost 3 starters. however we are replacing them with a transfer from Wake who had to sit out last season and was a freshman all american and 2 sophomores who were 4*s out of HS and in the top 15 of their position in the class.
On DL, I agree that the scheme as a whole will help with the run. That coupled with actual fundamentals like tackling which apparently was only taught to Skai Moore last season. The real issue that we have on DL is depth. Our 2 DTs and main DE are solid but the guys subbing in will not be on the same level.
On OL, you're right that we lost 3 starters. however we are replacing them with a transfer from Wake who had to sit out last season and was a freshman all american and 2 sophomores who were 4*s out of HS and in the top 15 of their position in the class.
On DL, I agree that the scheme as a whole will help with the run. That coupled with actual fundamentals like tackling which apparently was only taught to Skai Moore last season. The real issue that we have on DL is depth. Our 2 DTs and main DE are solid but the guys subbing in will not be on the same level.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 3:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The lines (along with QB) are the hardest places for true freshmen to contribute
I never stated that I was talking about "true freshmen."
I was talking about, and thought I clearly stated, new signed talent, (as in JuCos) along with some "redshirted," talented and highly recruited freshmen ... kids who were highly touted as freshmen, last year, but are now redshirted freshmen moving up.
Kobe Smith, already enrolled, at DT. Dexter Wideman, already enrolled, a redshirted freshman at DT ... was recruited and offered by almost everyone and there would have been more had he not committed to FSU so early. Reshirted junior DT, former JuCo transfer Ulric Jones. Those are the three new blood DTs already on campus, already practicing, two of them were redshirted last year. That's not counting the ones coming in this summer like high 4* DT 6-4 295 Stephen Taylor outta NOLA or ...
Keir Thomas DE ... already on campus, enrolled early, DE out of Miami - was offered by a lot of other programs including Tennessee, Arkansas and Auburn. That's not counting the new kids who are likely to get some early playing time like Sadrius Hutcherson or Darius Whitfield or maybe even Griffin Gentry.
And I do not know of a single Gamecock fan or pundit that I have talked to that does not believe our OLine will be greatly improved with the talent we have returning this year ... only two RFR, all the rest are sophs or above with a lot of playing time. Very talented sophs btw, three of them, who took their licks playing as true freshmen last year and improved greatly as the season progressed. Just on returnees alone, we'll average around 6-5 315 and they are all capable OLinemen, the ones that have survived the culling. Why do you think, of all coaches that he retained, he only retained one ... Shawn Elliot ... our OLine coach. Oh, and not talking about the new signees straight outta HS along the OLine, because I expect none of them to contribute this year ... but I do expect JuCo transfer OLineman Akeem Cooperwood to contribute.
I'm not trying to argue with you George ... I'm just sayin', having us 14/14 on both sides of the line is just ridiculous.
Last year was an abomination ... the last gasp of a floundering staff and HC. It is what it is, but it will have very little influence on this coming season.
I'm far far more worried about our secondary, our WRs, our RBs and our QB than I am our offensive and defensive line. Even Boom himself has said that he feels like we're going to be pretty good in the trenches - he's got talent to work with there.
And we may yet add more to our DEs enrolling for this year - it's not over yet in all likelihood.
This post was edited on 4/1/16 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 4/1/16 at 6:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
curious, george
If you base it on the previous year's numbers I assume you mean on the numbers that are returning?
If so then there is no way bama has the #1 DL. The returning numbers on the DL (except for allen) are not that impressive. Not much production for the backups.
If you base it on the previous year's numbers I assume you mean on the numbers that are returning?
If so then there is no way bama has the #1 DL. The returning numbers on the DL (except for allen) are not that impressive. Not much production for the backups.
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