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re: Judge rules against opponents of removing Confederate memorials ...

Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:02 pm to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:02 pm to
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Anyone who doesn't know that the awful Civil War was centered on the issue of slavery is being mindfully ignorant. I can't recall a conflict within another nation that was caused by the principle that freedom is for all citizens.

It may sound weird but I'm glad for the war. It has resounded through the 151 years of history since it ended.

America's role as the leader of democratic nations was cemented by the Civil War, not the Revolution of 1776 or either of the World Wars. We showed the world that we would not back down from our pledge to offer equal opportunity to everyone and that there would be no one excluded from the human rights and dignity afforded by our Constitution.

Long live America, the land of equal opportunity.


Kentucky allowed the removal of the Jefferson Davis statue correct?

And all Confederate memorials are under attack, all across the South.

So it'll be okay when they decide to bulldoze the Confederate cemeteries too huh? Because there are already proposals for that to happen in one place.

I mean it's not like all the Muslim statues going up, silently across the country ... it's not like this is anything comparable to what ISIS is doing to the history of Syria right now, is it? Tearing down old Christian monuments because, well, they don't like them ... they find them offensive to Allah and all.

I read what some of you people in this thread are typing ... and it's disgusting. You just don't get it.

It's pathetic.

You cannot white wash a history of a region, or a country, just because you find certain past aspects of it offensive. It's just not done in civilized countries.

This is 2016. This is not the same America that it was 150-450 years ago. But people in this region should still be allowed to retain some semblance of their culture and tradition, retain their honor. Many a Southerner fought in other wars for this country.

So is it time to remove statues of Harry S. Truman ... because he is offensive to the Japanese? Or FDR for that matter, because he interned so many Japanese Americans?

This is a slippery slope and I had hoped we could have an adult, intelligent, conversation about the subject on this forum ... but I should have known better. Too many millennial pussies around here ... too much playing the race card. It makes anything resembling an adult conversation impossible.
Posted by TT9
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82952 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:09 pm to
I guess cheering for a loser goes right along with you being a Suck Carolina fan.

Posted by sms151t
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Member since Aug 2009
139892 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:22 pm to
What was his legal basis to uphold the ruling?

Was the appeal based on historical markers?
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 8:41 pm to
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Kentucky allowed the removal of the Jefferson Davis statue correct?


Not yet but the process is under way. Plans are to move the statue to a museum about Kentucky's participation in the war. It certainly doesn't belong in the Capital Rotunda in Frankfort.

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And all Confederate memorials are under attack, all across the South.


They have their place in museums but not in public places. The sentiments of these memorials to a traitorous rebellion are anti-American.

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I mean it's not like all the Muslim statues going up, silently across the country ... it's not like this is anything comparable to what ISIS is doing to the history of Syria right now, is it? Tearing down old Christian monuments because, well, they don't like them ... they find them offensive to Allah and all.


I don't know anyone who objects to Christian, or Muslim for that matter, monuments on private property. It's the intrusion of religion, any religion, into government that is illegal and to be resisted with all vigor.

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You cannot white wash a history of a region, or a country, just because you find certain past aspects of it offensive.


Putting the Confederacy's history into museums is not eliminating it, nor rewriting it. That's the proper place for it. In public places, however, a message exists of support for the ideas of the losing side, who were anti-American.

Confederate cemeteries are, for the most part, on private land beyond the legal reach of anyone who might have objections to them, which would be silly IMO.

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But people in this region should still be allowed to retain some semblance of their culture and tradition, retain their honor.


They certainly can with appropriate venues. Public places are not appropriate.

Lexington is planning to move all of our Confederate monuments to a museum. They'll make an interesting field trip for kids studying Kentucky and American history.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 8:46 pm
Posted by greenbastard
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Member since Feb 2014
2740 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:41 pm to
Dude, you're over the top . Get over it!

This is how I imagine you typing about your struggles.

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