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Posted on 2/3/16 at 9:53 am
Posted on 2/3/16 at 9:53 am
Why do you support him? The biggest argument I've heard is he is a CEO style coach that lets his assistants handle the Xs and Os while he focuses on recruiting.
Well the $5 million man just completely whiffed on his main job. He doesn't coach, can't recruit, is a shitty leader, doesn't communicate, etc.
What am I missing besides the fact we owe him too much money?
Well the $5 million man just completely whiffed on his main job. He doesn't coach, can't recruit, is a shitty leader, doesn't communicate, etc.
What am I missing besides the fact we owe him too much money?
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 9:56 am to TexasAg13
You forgot the massive ego and the arrogance.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 9:56 am to TexasAg13
i support him during the year because he is the coach we have.
I support the fact that he deserves one more year because he's earned that. But one more is all he's got and its all he's earned unless he wins either 10 or 9 with a few tough close losses to very good teams.
I support his firing after this year if he doesn't improve this team and our record
I support the fact that he deserves one more year because he's earned that. But one more is all he's got and its all he's earned unless he wins either 10 or 9 with a few tough close losses to very good teams.
I support his firing after this year if he doesn't improve this team and our record
Posted on 2/3/16 at 9:58 am to TexasAg13
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What am I missing besides the fact we owe him too much money?
The fact that he has come close to matching The Great RC Slocum's win totals in a harder conference (aka the period we clung to during the 2000s)?
That thread by CGSC convinced me the problem isn't just Sumlin. Most of the problem is us.
The silver lining is our AD is now setup to be making over $130 million every year thanks to our constant delusions about being a football powerhouse. Maybe non-football sports can take the resources from that windfall and make us proud. The new AD is kinda a rockstar so we will see.
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 10:00 am
Posted on 2/3/16 at 11:37 am to TexasAg13
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What am I missing besides the fact we owe him too much money?
recruiting facts:
2010 3 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 3 4 stars / 14 3 stars
2011 0 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 1 4 stars (Kicker) / 16 3 stars
2012 5 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 6 4 stars / 11 3 stars
Sumlin Era
2013 10 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 17 4 stars / 14 3 stars
2014 - 10 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 2 5 stars / 14 4 stars / 6 3 stars
2015 - 11 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 2 5 stars / 14 4 stars / 9 3 stars
2016 7 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 12 4 stars / 7 3 stars
Record:
Texas A&M Aggies
2012 Texas A&M 11–2
2013 Texas A&M 9–4
2014 Texas A&M 8–5
2015 Texas A&M 8–5
Plus 3-1 bowl record.
Do I think he's ideal? No. Do I think he shite the bed this year with regards to the handling of the QB's? Yes, Do I think he is too loyal to assistant coaches? Yes.
But the end game is he has recruited better than any other A&M coach, and has most probably the best four year record when you consider we are playing in easily the toughest conference in the country.
Do I want him to do better? Of course!
Posted on 2/3/16 at 11:50 am to TexasAg13
2010 3 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 3 4 stars / 14 3 stars
2011 0 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 1 4 stars (Kicker) / 16 3 stars
2012 5 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 6 4 stars / 11 3 stars
Sumlin Era
2013 10 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 17 4 stars / 14 3 stars
2014 - 10 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 2 5 stars / 14 4 stars / 6 3 stars
2015 - 11 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 2 5 stars / 14 4 stars / 9 3 stars
2016 7 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 12 4 stars / 7 3 stars with more to come
2017 - #GigEmGang - best to come
2011 0 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 1 4 stars (Kicker) / 16 3 stars
2012 5 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 6 4 stars / 11 3 stars
Sumlin Era
2013 10 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 17 4 stars / 14 3 stars
2014 - 10 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 2 5 stars / 14 4 stars / 6 3 stars
2015 - 11 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 2 5 stars / 14 4 stars / 9 3 stars
2016 7 - ESPN 300 Recruits. 12 4 stars / 7 3 stars with more to come
2017 - #GigEmGang - best to come
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:33 pm to TexasAg13
I think that just about everyone assumes when we entered the SEC, it would take at least three to four years for us to be competitive. Sumlin lead a team that has now competed every year, had a winning record every year and is consistently in the national conversation.
Sumlin is a good coach. He is a winning coach. The facts bear that out. Are we perfect and where I want to be? Hell no. It beats my initial expectations when first we entered the conference though.
We are recruiting well. It is true we had a down year this year, but I think that has more to do with some shady tactics from sippy than anything else. Next year all signs point to a better recruiting haul and I think the after another losing season, chuck will be out of Austin.
So those are some of the reasons why I support him. I think that he is a good, proven and focused coach. I don't get caught up in the rumor mills and bullshite that many of you do. I don't have to because I know what is true and what is conjecture and bullshite.
I also don't have a bruised pussy every time that an 18 year old kid makes a decision I don't agree with.
Sumlin is a good coach. He is a winning coach. The facts bear that out. Are we perfect and where I want to be? Hell no. It beats my initial expectations when first we entered the conference though.
We are recruiting well. It is true we had a down year this year, but I think that has more to do with some shady tactics from sippy than anything else. Next year all signs point to a better recruiting haul and I think the after another losing season, chuck will be out of Austin.
So those are some of the reasons why I support him. I think that he is a good, proven and focused coach. I don't get caught up in the rumor mills and bullshite that many of you do. I don't have to because I know what is true and what is conjecture and bullshite.
I also don't have a bruised pussy every time that an 18 year old kid makes a decision I don't agree with.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:35 pm to TexasAg13
I sound like a broken record I've posted this multiple times here and on Texags but yes he absolutely needs to be gone if he doesn't win 9+
We have made the commitment to being a top tier program, we have spent the money to improve stadium, facilities, etc. what happened in the past DOES NOT FRICKING MATTER, it is the past. To look and say "well, he's done better than RC in a harder conference" or whatever is not a reason to keep an under performing coach.
This is about the present and future, and a guy who earns 5 million a year better not average 7-8 wins a season, period. I don't expect to be Alabama and compete for the conference every single year, but it would be nice to compete for those very now and again too.
At the end of the day Sumlin is not earning his paycheck, he was supposed to be a good recruiter and now even that has failed him. As in any other job in America, what happens when your performance is subpar? You get fired. He's got one more season to right the ship, that's all there is to it.
We have made the commitment to being a top tier program, we have spent the money to improve stadium, facilities, etc. what happened in the past DOES NOT FRICKING MATTER, it is the past. To look and say "well, he's done better than RC in a harder conference" or whatever is not a reason to keep an under performing coach.
This is about the present and future, and a guy who earns 5 million a year better not average 7-8 wins a season, period. I don't expect to be Alabama and compete for the conference every single year, but it would be nice to compete for those very now and again too.
At the end of the day Sumlin is not earning his paycheck, he was supposed to be a good recruiter and now even that has failed him. As in any other job in America, what happens when your performance is subpar? You get fired. He's got one more season to right the ship, that's all there is to it.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 3:34 pm to TexasAg13
Let's say he gets fired. Who do you think is going to want to come here? What big name coach will want this job? Dont' say Herman. How is he a proven coach at the SEC level? That would be the same as when we took Sumlin. Success at UH level isn't the same. I say we give Sumlin a 2-3 more years and see if he can right the ship. Hopefully he's learned from the mistakes.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 3:56 pm to TexasAg13
I think up until this cycle he's been an above average recruiter. I think his coaching style is fine, but took a gamble with spav and tried to remedy it with DC and only made it worse.
And simply, I like Chavis too much. If we fire Sumlin we most definatly lose Chavis
And simply, I like Chavis too much. If we fire Sumlin we most definatly lose Chavis
Posted on 2/3/16 at 5:55 pm to TexasAg13
Overall Sumlin has done a decent job. Just from looking at overall record and SEC record for the past 4 years.
Isn't he undefeated in OOC play? He finally lost his first bowl game this year. So, he has results to speak of...
I am not pleased with the latest QB and recruiting developments, so this is kind of a measuring stick year for him. His strong recruiting the past few years will have to pay dividends this year.
Isn't he undefeated in OOC play? He finally lost his first bowl game this year. So, he has results to speak of...
I am not pleased with the latest QB and recruiting developments, so this is kind of a measuring stick year for him. His strong recruiting the past few years will have to pay dividends this year.
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