It's like you're incapable of understanding context in a conversation tonight. I brought up Plessy v. Ferguson as a rebuttal to the "safer/more trusting in the 60s" comment. You know this, and are being obtuse

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are State University's not representative to a degree of what the State sanctions. Now that many University's are falling to demands of forced segregation by black students.. how is this not to a degree State backed segregation?

Excellent point. As you know, I'm not a proponent of affirmative action.

However, I defy you to insinuate that AA is tantamount to "separate but equal," especially considering major state universities are majority white. Is it an outdated practice? Sure, I'll readily cede that. It had its purpose, but that time has passed. However, it's nowhere near analogous to what Brown v. Board of Education overturned. To suggest otherwise shows a lack of comprehension of the legal precedent.

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I understand, and am not blind to the policies of the past and the prejudices by any means. I've lived closer to it than you. But to deny that there isn't just as much if not more today, is simply trying to bury your head in the sand.

There is nothing today on the sheer scale of the segregation era. To assert that there is is engaging in hyperbole for arguments' sake.

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I would go so far as stating that this country has as bad of race relations as I've ever seen in my adult life. I would also say it's as good as its been too.

These statements are cannot be reconciled.

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It's easy to demonize the past and look upon it as the worst of times, but people are still the same today, whether you'd like to acknowledge it or not.

I've already said as much itt.

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And some of it is in the black community now, which is larger, more galvanized and better equipped to force issues than it once was.

There is no black community. Certainly not galvanized. The more time passes, the more eclectic the backgrounds of black people become. Yes, there are those who're more able to assume the bully pulpit of social media to advance a cause, but that's hardly exclusive to those with a high melanin count. And you'll find that plenty of black people are diametrically opposed to what groups like BLM and individuals like Jesse Jackson spew. Now, more than ever, there is not a single voice for black people--homogeneity will only hasten in the coming years. And that's a massive positive.

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This isn't to say that all blacks are racist and prejudiced or segregationist.. but there is a very large portion that is. Just as there are whites.

Granted. I'm of the firm belief that those numbers will continue to dwindle, just as they have since your halcyon 80s.

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As I said earlier.. it's what it is.. no matter which side of the coin you flip.

It is always what it is, of course

Gotta be mindful to use an analogous coin, though, or your perspective will be skewed, whether you lived closer to the times in question or not. Garbage in, garbage out, as it were.

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And the 80's was still better than today.

Only because I was born to improve them and carry the torch forward

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Posted by Alahunter

Member since Jan 2008

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Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:23 am to TbirdSpur2010

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Not just safer. Also more trusting. Reread my quote.

Ok.. more trusting too. If, by your argument, it was more segregated, wouldn't blacks feel more trusting among those they felt a kindred spirit with?

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You'd be horribly mistaken on the first count.

Hard to see how you can make a definitive statement about a time, contrary to mine, when you didn't live in that time period, and I did. Just sayin.

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Irrelevant. As I've shown, I brought it up as a germane rebuttal to an erroneous assertion.

The assertion had no racial connotations or overtones.

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I brought up Plessy v. Ferguson as a rebuttal to the "safer/more trusting in the 60s" comment.

Which was an 1896 ruling, and by your admission overturned in the 50's. Still not in relation to the 60's or the 70's. Or the 80's.

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However, I defy you to insinuate that AA is tantamount to "separate but equal," especially considering major state universities are majority white. Is it an outdated practice? Sure, I'll readily cede that. It had its purpose, but that time has passed. However, it's nowhere near analogous to what Brown v. Board of Education overturned. To suggest otherwise shows a lack of comprehension of the legal precedent

I simply make the claim that prejudice is prejudice, no matter the race. I can make a specific claim where AA personally affected me. You could walk into the City of Birmingham and see the disparity in employees. And again.. you cite a 50's ruling, nothing to do with living in the 80's. I would simply argue that the trailing off of many prejudiced and state supported actions were happening in the 80's. And many are beginning now, under the guise of "safe places". Prejudice and racism is the same no matter how you try to dress it.

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There is nothing today on the sheer scale of the segregation era. To assert that there is is engaging in hyperbole for arguments' sake

Again.. pre the times that were really being discussed.

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Gotta be mindful to use an analogous coin, though, or your perspective will be skewed, whether you lived closer to the times in question or not. Garbage in, garbage out, as it were.

I feel I was. And am perhaps a bit more observant of what is happening. Not being a millennial and having life experience, I have perspective somewhat on what actually happened during certain time periods vs what is taught or perceived as happened. I've seen race relations digress a great deal from what they were just 30 yrs ago. And it didn't take long for it to happen. I've also seen much growth in other situations. There are a myriad of reasons for both which would be to lengthy to really get into on a message board probably. But it's not exclusive to just whites being prejudiced. Nor is it all to be blamed on blacks.