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Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:38 am to Jefferson Dawg
It does seem to be pretty prevalent today.
I'm fine with the questioning part of it. Why would a good God who is sovereign allow these things to happen? I'm a Christian and I struggle with that.
What I can't stand with atheism today is the attitude "God doesn't exist, and I hate him"
That, and the fedoras. Why do all atheists have to wear fedoras?
I'm fine with the questioning part of it. Why would a good God who is sovereign allow these things to happen? I'm a Christian and I struggle with that.
What I can't stand with atheism today is the attitude "God doesn't exist, and I hate him"
That, and the fedoras. Why do all atheists have to wear fedoras?
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:40 am to olddawg26
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And there is definitely truth to the idea of the fact no one blamed God when Devon was paralyzed but praise him when he gets feeling in his legs
Most with Faith know we have to go through these trials and tribulations to be broken down, to be built back up by the "sky fairy".
Free will is a blessing that allows us to have faith or none at all. The ability to doubt, ridicule, mock, etc.
I respect every person's opinion. Doesn't matter to me, only my opinion/belief matters to me, but I do find it humorous that since people believe they are "well read" that it makes them feel better to knock someone's religion, ethnicity, or background.....
Kind of like Pro-choice activists, oh how they would march for rights if they themselves were aborted.
God Bless!
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:48 am to AmericusDawg
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Kind of like Pro-choice activists, oh how they would march for rights if they themselves were aborted.
How in the ever living shite is this even "kinda" relevant to the subject. I tried to acknowledge him, defend the other side as well, and get the thread back on the rails about the great news about Devon, don't make this political.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 8:58 am to olddawg26
So sad that people have to be jerks. Let people express their joy without calling them names. Calling God a sky fairy, insulting atheists, making this political. All of that is unnecessary. I am a person of faith and I think that modern medicine is a true blessing form God. But I don't begrudge people who don't, so don't begrudge me. Devon Gales is a person of faith. His family has expressed their thanks for all the prayers and have said many times to "keep praying". Making this into what many of you have made it into is exactly why this country and society in general is going down the tube. Please reserve your childish and sick comments for another thread. God bless Devon Gales, and Blessings to the Doctors and folks who have worked with him, despite what they believe or do not believe.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 9:02 am to olddawg26
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and get the thread back on the rails about the great news about Devon
That's all that matters here
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How in the ever living shite is this even "kinda" relevant to the subject
Just opinion on a message board. More or less saying people, in general, talk out of their asses.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 10:25 am to Chili Dawg
So glad to hear he's experiencing improvements. I really hope this kid gets to walk and run again...no one should have to sacrifice use of their legs over a lifetime for a game.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 10:35 am to LewDawg
Is he still at SSC? I spent eight weeks at SSC after a car accident. The doctors and therapist are world-class,some of the best in the business. I was lucky, my spinal cord was not severed. Thanks to SSC I made a full recovery. Devon couldn't be in better hands.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 10:51 am to AmericusDawg
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Most with Faith know we have to go through these trials and tribulations to be broken down, to be built back up by the "sky fairy".
Free will is a blessing that allows us to have faith or none at all. The ability to doubt, ridicule, mock, etc.
I respect every person's opinion.
I agree with this. I believe that God lets man make his own choices, mistakes, etc... For the most part, he stays hands off and lets bad things happen. I think the argument of "how could God allow this to happen" is just a cheap argument to gain cheap argument points. God shows himself in mysterious ways and in places we don't typically expect most of the time.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:08 am to HellRaisingDawg
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Better than that jackass who allows suffering just to reap cheap adulation.
Let me get this straight, you insult people's faith and and upset them, then you get upset that they return the favor to you. Makes sense.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:13 am to JakeScott
Here here on SSC. I know a guy who is still recovering from an SCI who spent some time there as well. Great to hear you've recovered and heart-warming to hear Devon having such a great improvement!
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:18 am to Porter Osborne Jr
I'm not upset. I'm here for the lulz, and irrational people of "faith" provide them by the bucket load. Keep the down votes coming. I'm not in Hell yet.
I feel the hatred though. Not very Christian. Not very Christian at all, but I cannot say that I am surprised.
Lulz. Let it flow...praise dog!
I feel the hatred though. Not very Christian. Not very Christian at all, but I cannot say that I am surprised.
Lulz. Let it flow...praise dog!
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:20 am to HellRaisingDawg
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I'm not upset. I'm here for the lulz
I get where you're coming from, but you're diluting a thread about great news for a good kid.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:25 am to gatorhata9
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I agree with this. I believe that God lets man make his own choices, mistakes, etc... For the most part, he stays hands off and lets bad things happen. I think the argument of "how could God allow this to happen" is just a cheap argument to gain cheap argument points. God shows himself in mysterious ways and in places we don't typically expect most of the time.
I've refrained from chiming in here because I at least casually know HRD and, in spite of his rants on this subject, he's actually one of the "good guys". But the way you've said it is pretty much the way I see it. I could expound a bit, but I think that sums it up pretty well and further conversation about it here isn't going to change anyone's mind.
Bottom line, if God did step in and give us the heavenly "assist" in situations like this, what would we learn? There would never be consequences to any decision (malicious or not, as Devon's choice to participate in a physically brutal and violent game was certainly not). There would never be an opportunity to overcome adversity...there would be no triumph, physically or otherwise. I think we, the human race, value the physical well-being too greatly, while overlooking the mental and spiritual accomplishments. Free will comes with a price. We've been paying that price since the beginning of time. Ultimately, we can't answer questions like this because we can never truly understand the ways of God. I believe that while He doesn't make bad things happen to us, He does allow them to happen for any number of reasons. One way or another, there is good that can be derived from these things if we seek Him and His will in them. Maybe God didn't heal Devon. But perhaps Devon's faith in Him and His ultimate plan is what has been the driving force for Devon to approach his rehab with the attitude and strength of mind needed to heal. You can't see the light, but for the dark.
People will always want to know and understand how and why things are the way they are, but until we realize and accept that there are some things we will simply never know or be able to explain, we will have a hard time ever being happy. We will never be satisfied. That doesn't make us simpletons. It doesn't mean that we don't still want to know and that we're not willing to look and seek out answers. But even still...sometimes the answers we want just aren't there.
I seem to recall HRD many years ago being a fairly faithful person. Maybe I'm wrong on that. But I do know, when it comes to "empirical evidence", he has the greatest example of such living, breathing, and a part of his life every day. She is the only evidence he really needs (and I know he knows this), just as my kids are for me.
I'll leave it off on this lighter note. There was an episode of Futurama, titled "Godfellas", where Bender thinks he'd be a swell God. It's one of my favorite episodes of that show and there is certainly a little deeper meaning to be found in it at the end than one might expect. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
God bless you all, believers or not.
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 11:28 am
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:30 am to ATLdawg25
No...I made a positive comment, and then I gave an opinion in response to a jackass giving praise to a sky fairy rather than to the doctors who gleamed their knowledge from books that aren't the bible. The others here bled from their arse and the flames grew higher.
Their hatred is righteous....ha ha ha!
Their hatred is righteous....ha ha ha!
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:32 am to S1C EM
Sic em...you have the truth of it. I am agnostic with a Pentecostal background. My daughter is my life...she is my god. I obey her love.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:34 am to HellRaisingDawg
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My daughter is my life...she is my god. I obey her love.
I absolutely do not doubt that a bit. Not in the least. You're a great dad.
I kinda figured you were trolling a bit here, but wasn't sure.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:39 am to HellRaisingDawg
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No...I made a positive comment, and then I gave an opinion in response to a jackass giving praise
Right. Responded to a post not directed at you, and gave an opinion that had nothing to do with the topic.
Start a new thread if you want to debate religion or whatever it is you're trying to do. This is coming from an agnostic.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 11:48 am to HellRaisingDawg
Call it what you want bud, but it's trolling in a thread that should be above that. As a non-Christian raised in a very Christian family, I get it. You feel the need to voice your difference of opinion and/or ruffle feathers to watch people squirm and get upset. But this particular thread was about really positive news coming out of a shite situation. Seems like you could have removed your head from your arse temporarily.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 12:04 pm to HellRaisingDawg
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I feel the hatred though. Not very Christian. Not very Christian at all, but I cannot say that I am surprised.
If you feel the hatred, it's not because you insulted their faith. It's because you chose this thread to do do it in.
Btw, no hatred on my end. I just thought it was silly that you felt the need to respond to someone because they said "Praise the Lord" or whatever.
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