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re: Obama to Executive Order gun control in a few days ...

Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:31 am to
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:31 am to
I am genuinely curious what is so bad about expanding background checks?

What is so bad about tracing a gun back to a seller?

What is so bad about at least attempting to check if someone has a history of mental health issues?

Folks are acting as though he is trampling on the Constitution. I'm no Obama advocate, but it's not as though the man is advocating kicking in doors and taking away your guns like so many like to exaggerate.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 11:32 am
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:50 pm to
Knowing who has them makes that reality one step closer. Why should any free citizen be subjected to infringements of their rights because the Govt fails to protect them. Give me freedom. I would rather not let Govt be my master.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:20 pm to
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What is so bad about at least attempting to check if someone has a history of mental health issues?


There are a few perceived issues here. One is what qualifies as "history of mental health issues" and who gets to decide. Mental health issues can be everywhere from extremely minor to bat shite crazy and it is difficult to pinpoint where someone lands on that spectrum. The other concern is that many people with a legitimate desire to seek health for their problems will be hesitant to seek treatment because they would fear ending up on a list. I do think that there needs to be some research into possible solutions in that regard but I don't think people who are wary of such action are "gun nuts."
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:06 pm to
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so bad about expanding background checks?

What is so bad about tracing a gun back to a seller?

What is so bad about at least attempting to check if someone has a history of mental health issues?


Nothing is inherently wrong with any of it, the problem is the doors such things open for those who REALLY hate guns.

For instance, what psychiatric conditions should disallow one to own a gun? How long before say, anyone with a prior history of depression isn't allowed to own a gun? How long before someone who had a suicide attempt 20 years ago can't own a gun?

The problem with your proposals is that they can easily be used to, over a period a time, increase substantially the number of citizens not allowed to buy guns. Over a period of time, eventually enough people will have been without guns for long enough that more restrictive legislation goes through unopposed. The process continues until one day, it is no longer unthinkable to simply take the few remaining guns from the citizenry.

I hate the slippery slope argument, but it is valid on this instance. We've seen it happen in other countries.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 3:08 pm
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