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re: Obama to Executive Order gun control in a few days ...

Posted on 12/27/15 at 5:54 pm to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/27/15 at 5:54 pm to
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Tax ammunition into oblivion and encourage the prosecution of gun manufacturers and bullet producers for shootings using their products. This is a given and will be rolled out very early in the form of an Executive Order.

The Federal government will purchase as much ammunition as possible in order to create shortages, thus, driving up the price of ammunition.

The prohibition of purchasing a gun in one state and transporting that same gun across state lines.

New Federal regulations which will permit, without a warrant, any civil authority to enter a home of a registered gun owner to check for gun safety when it comes to the “proper” storage of guns. Said gun can be confiscated and the owner will be subject to arrest and fines if a gun does not meet governmental storage regulations. The new regulations will be devised to prevent one from using the gun in a moment’s notice.

There is discussion among DoJ officials about limiting how guns, in the aggregate, that can be stored in one geographic area. This will amount to gun rationing.
Gun owners will eventually be required to attend and pass gun safety courses in the same manner as one renews their drivers license. This will, again, drive up the cost of owning a gun.

At some point, no doubt following a false flag event, an Executive Order will be issued to overturn all conceal and carry laws currently in place in several states.

With regard to Child Protective Services investigations, any gun-owning parent will receive an negative score when it comes to investigation of child abuse and welfare cases.

No veteran will be allowed to own a gun for an unspecified period of time following their discharge from the service. As part of the VA reform there is serious discussion about mandating outplacement counseling for all veterans and gun prohibitions will be a part of this. I was told that this is, in part, why all the Federal attention is being placed on streamlining the VA process for veteran access.

The scope of gun free zones will be expanded. The IRS will be given policing powers on new gun control regulations. Bank accounts and homes can be seized for failure to comply. Further, RICO statutes can be utilized among the non-compliant. It was stressed to me that examples will be made of protesters and non-compliant people.

Obama will wait for the next false flag, but will announce a ban on all assault rifles.

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Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 12/27/15 at 6:03 pm to
https://www.starbeacon.com/news/gun-groups-expect-obama-to-tighten-rules/article_7ee0af22-6802-5214-8c26-d0b63ad39a99.html

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Posted: Sunday, December 27, 2015 12:30 am

By Kery Murakami CNHI Washington Reporter

WASHINGTON — Gun control advocates want President Barack Obama to tighten rules for background checks on firearms purchases, which they argue give criminals easy access to weapons.

But if Obama acts in the coming weeks, as expected by those on both sides of the gun debate, gun-rights supporters are already poised to sue.

“What we’re expecting is for Obama to try doing something illegal,” said Michael Hammonds, legal counsel for the Gun Owners of America. “I don’t think he cares any more if what he does is legal.”

Federal law now exempts gun-sellers from conducting background checks on buyers if a seller only deals “occasionally” and is not “engaged in the business” of selling guns.

Critics say those terms are so vague that they have allowed for the purchase of hundreds of guns — particularly at gun shows and online — by criminals including those with histories of domestic abuse.
Jonas Oransky, legal counsel for Everytown for Gun Safety, acknowledged during an interview that Obama cannot eliminate the exemption without a vote of Congress.

But the administration has the discretion to define the terms of the law.

In anticipation of a move by Obama in the next few weeks, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, introduced legislation on Monday that voids any presidential order that infringes on the Second Amendment or Congress’ powers. His bill would qualify any such order as advisory unless enacted by lawmakers.

Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, criticized Obama for issuing executive orders when he cannot win over Congress.

“We have seen that these unilateral actions do not hold up in court,” he said. “Instead of focusing on preventing more terrorist attacks, Obama and his administration are working to make it harder for law-abiding citizens to exercise their Second Amendment rights through policies that would not have stopped any of the recent mass shootings.”

The White House has not revealed Obama’s plans, but senior adviser Valerie Jarrett said at a vigil commemorating the three-year anniversary of a mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, that the president has urged aides to submit a plan to him “in short order.”

Twenty-four Democratic senators, including Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, wrote Obama on Nov. 23, urging him to address the “loophole that allows guns to be sold without a background check by eliminating the ambiguity surrounding the term ‘engaged in business.’”

They sent the letter nearly two months after an Oregon college student shot and killed eight classmates and a teacher. He reportedly bought his guns legally.
Days later, a gunman opened fire on a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado.

In a recent report, Everytown for Gun Safety said ambiguity over the exemptions is keeping prosecutors from winning - or even initiating - cases involving illegal gun sales.

The Nov. 12 report found convictions in only 30 percent of cases where defendants were accused of not doing background checks despite being “engaged in the business” of selling firearms.

Juries acquitted defendants in half the cases that went to trial.

In 2011, for instance, a jury in Florida acquitted a man accused of selling more than 400 guns between 2006 and 2010 at as many as 25 gun shows a year, and making as much as $50,000 in a year, the report found.

It quoted his attorney as saying, “You know, it would be easy if we had a law that says you can sell 50 firearms in a year, or 10 firearms or 100, but that’s not what it is.”

Everytown for Gun Safety wants Obama’s order to clarify that a person is not an “occasional seller” if they sell more than 25 guns in a year. It says factors like whether sellers deal unused guns or guns in their original packaging - or if they resell firearms shortly after acquiring them - also should be considered.
Such an action would stand up in court, Oransky said. Statements made by members of Congress show the exemptions to background checks created in the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act never meant to cover those selling multiple guns.

But Hammonds said even a 25-gun limit restricts those just trying to sell their collections.

“Gun groups claim there’s a loophole, whenever gun rights exist,” he said.

He called a move by Obama to narrow the exemption a legal “Hail Mary” by a president frustrated at not being able to push tougher gun laws through Congress.

Representatives of the National Rifle Association did not return calls and emails for comment.

However, Doug DuBois Jr., executive director of the Texas State Rifle Association, said in a statement: “The executive order has not been explained and it is speculation at this time as to what would be impacted.”

Still, gun-rights groups are focused on the issue, even taking out ads on taxicabs in Washington.

Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Missouri, said Obama is using recent terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, California, as “yet another excuse to attack the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding United States citizens.”
Blunt co-sponsored a bill proposed by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, that would improve access to mental health services and improve state reporting of mental health issues to the national background check database.

Citing his “firm” support for gun rights, Blunt said reforming those services can “get to the root cause of many recent incidents” without expanding background checks.


Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:51 pm to
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Tax ammunition into oblivion and encourage the prosecution of gun manufacturers and bullet producers for shootings using their products.


President can't raise taxes it must be done through congress. There's already been a court case ruling that manufacturers can't be held liable for individual misuse of a gun.

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New Federal regulations which will permit, without a warrant, any civil authority to enter a home of a registered gun owner to check for gun safety when it comes to the “proper” storage of guns. Said gun can be confiscated and the owner will be subject to arrest and fines if a gun does not meet governmental storage regulations. The new regulations will be devised to prevent one from using the gun in a moment’s notice.


Blatantly unconstitutional and would get slapped down by the courts

The only thing in that list he could legally do via EO is the Feds purchasing ammo to create a shortage, but that costs money that must be allocated by congress to his agencies. He could possibly expand the ATF background checks, not not positive.

The rest of that is fear mongering...those are moves that would cause a massive backlash and would be unconstitutional
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/1/16 at 6:19 pm to
Only 2 more days until Obama takes the guns. This will be the most pissed off rednecks have been since they canceled HeeHaw
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/3/16 at 12:01 am to
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At some point, no doubt following a false flag event, an Executive Order will be issued to overturn all conceal and carry laws currently in place in several states.


Hmmmmm ... so the Oregon thing that is happening right now, looks like the guy in my OP, two posts down from the top, may have been on to something.
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