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What makes KA a bad coach?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 12/21/15 at 5:59 pm
I don't know enough about basketball to know. Is he a bad motivator? Does he not know the game? What is it that makes everyone think he's so terrible? I'm not defending him, but he was left with a pretty empty cupboard when he got here. It was almost a no win situation he walked into.
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 6:12 pm to KCMIZSEC
It's kind of a mystery. We have had less talented teams than our team last year win more games.
One of his biggest mistakes seems to be a failure to recruit division one level big men. We were weak on the inside last year with Williams. Then he left and we didn't bring anyone in really. And we look at next year's class, and there's no big help coming there either. Not immediate impact anyway.
So we will have had three years in a row without an even passable presence on the inside. I don't know why he can't see that.
One of his biggest mistakes seems to be a failure to recruit division one level big men. We were weak on the inside last year with Williams. Then he left and we didn't bring anyone in really. And we look at next year's class, and there's no big help coming there either. Not immediate impact anyway.
So we will have had three years in a row without an even passable presence on the inside. I don't know why he can't see that.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 6:13 pm to KCMIZSEC
Just look at his record in his tenure at Missouri thus far and that's all you really need to know...
Posted on 12/21/15 at 6:28 pm to KCMIZSEC
KA, has to rebuild this program from the ground up. He has a young raw team that needs more time to develop. It's hard to know if they are taking to coaching or not. His offense doesn't seem to be like the ones he wants to run. I think he will get his time to rebuild and will be fine.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 6:33 pm to KCMIZSEC
He's a great coach. What people don't get is that 8 wins is exactly what it took last year and we should be happy with that. Had he won 15 games he would not have been rebuilding a program. It is impossible to rebuild a program and win games at the same time.
He is focusing on the important stuff needed to rebuild a program...not wins. Things like posture. Fashion. Winning would distract from those more important things.
Anyone could have hired a coach to just come in and win games and make the tournament. We are changing a culture. It might take 3 years. It might take 23 years. But KA should be given as much time as it takes to change that culture. It doesn't happen overnight. I will be sorely disappointed if we win 15 games next year. 10 wins and that tells me KA is doing his job.
I'm really tired of hearing program rebuilding as if that and winning can't co-exist.
He is focusing on the important stuff needed to rebuild a program...not wins. Things like posture. Fashion. Winning would distract from those more important things.
Anyone could have hired a coach to just come in and win games and make the tournament. We are changing a culture. It might take 3 years. It might take 23 years. But KA should be given as much time as it takes to change that culture. It doesn't happen overnight. I will be sorely disappointed if we win 15 games next year. 10 wins and that tells me KA is doing his job.
I'm really tired of hearing program rebuilding as if that and winning can't co-exist.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 6:36 pm to JAGsports
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KA, has to rebuild this program from the ground up. He has a young raw team that needs more time to develop. It's hard to know if they are taking to coaching or not. His offense doesn't seem to be like the ones he wants to run. I think he will get his time to rebuild and will be fine.
How long of a leash does he get? 5 years? 10 years? An entire generation of students who don't know Mizzou to be anything more than bottom of the barrel? I guess that's a positive thing.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 6:37 pm to JAGsports
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 6:39 pm to the808bass
Truthfully, program rebuilding is just an excuse for poor performance IMO. I could deal with it if one could point to some positive strides taken. And please don't tell me because no one has been suspended (which isn't true either, especially if you consider that Payne is gone bye bye).
Posted on 12/21/15 at 6:51 pm to reedus23
You guys are misguided and unreasonable. The man is tall, neatly coiffed, and was a good player 45 years ago.
And we're rebuilding. So show a little patience for a few damned years.
(I'm still betting 8 wins max...and I ain't sure of that. Anyone want to bet on more than 8?)
And we're rebuilding. So show a little patience for a few damned years.
(I'm still betting 8 wins max...and I ain't sure of that. Anyone want to bet on more than 8?)
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:04 pm to KCMIZSEC
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What is it that makes everyone think he's so terrible?
I'm guessing it's the back to back seasons of putting the worst teams in program history on the court.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:04 pm to reedus23
That's fine if you want to be sarcastic, but what specifically makes him a bad coach? I know he hasn't had good results. Personally, I expected this for at least two years based on what he had when he got here. Does he not know how to get his players to buy in? Does he coach bad fundamentals? Does he instruct them to run the wrong offense or defense in certain situations? Bad recruiter? I honestly am not basketball smart and am wondering why he's a terrible coach.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:09 pm to KCMIZSEC
I don't think you are going to get any specifics here, but the simple fact of the matter is these are the worst teams in the century+ history of our program. Does "why" even matter?
You expected a rebuild, so did I and anyone paying attention of course but this isn't a rebuild. What is going on at Mizzou arena is unacceptable. Not just losing games, but getting fricking creamed in most of them.
There is simply no excuse for Mizzou to EVER be this bad. There just isn't.
You expected a rebuild, so did I and anyone paying attention of course but this isn't a rebuild. What is going on at Mizzou arena is unacceptable. Not just losing games, but getting fricking creamed in most of them.
There is simply no excuse for Mizzou to EVER be this bad. There just isn't.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:09 pm to reedus23
Personally I think they should fire him after next year. Then the next coach has to win at least 25 games by year 2 or he should be fired.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:18 pm to JAGsports
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Personally I think they should fire him after next year.
I would agree that if there isn't major improvement after next year he should be shown the door. But what coach will we get if he's fired after this year? What coach wants to come here knowing they only have 2 years to get this thing turned around? Nobody wants to work with that short of a leash.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:22 pm to KCMIZSEC
Then why is KA getting one?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:28 pm to JAGsports
Getting one what? People are calling for his head right now. I think he should get at least another year and probably two. I'm confused by your question
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:29 pm to KCMIZSEC
I think most coaches would know you can't be complete dogshit for two straight years.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 7:40 pm to JesusQuintana
Coach K was at Duke?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:52 pm to KCMIZSEC
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That's fine if you want to be sarcastic, but what specifically makes him a bad coach?
Yeah, I was just messing because it just doesn't matter. If and when they win, I'll go to a game again. In the meantime, all IMO, I think he recruits on an MVC level. Those guys can be good role players but seldom are going to rebuild a program. You don't have to go much further than the offer lists of most of our commits. That's 2 years running now.
I don't think he has a clue how to shorten his bench or build continuity. The result is that players don't know their roles. We saw that with J3 last year. KA made a statement of needing J3 to be more offensive minded. Result is he starts jacking up 3's when I don't think that is what KA meant.
I don't think he knows how to deal with the media or the public. While I find a lot of amusement and much of it entertaining in what is otherwise a shite team, I really don't think he needs to put his players on blast in public about how they sit or what they wear. You wanna have those rules? Fine. But keep it in the locker room. Doing it in public is going to cause most teenage males to bow their back because they're being treated like an 8 year old.
I don't think he was smart in who he surrounded himself with in the form of assistants. We have a high school coach, a JUCO coach and a D3 coach as assistants. Is that really all Mizzou could do?
I haven't seen a consistent identity on offense. Last year we had to half court offense at all. We literally ran a 4 corners stall until there was 5 seconds left and then tried a 1 on 1 move with guys who couldn't dribble. This year has been better, but only slightly.
His coaching style in practice just isn't working. We see the same mistakes over and over again. I get that there isn't any coaching that can truly be done during a game, but when the same issues pop up week in and week out, that tells me he's not getting through the rest of the week.
I'm sure if I had more time, I could come up with a more coherent answer but that's just off the top of my head.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 8:54 pm to JAGsports
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Personally I think they should fire him after next year. Then the next coach has to win at least 25 games by year 2 or he should be fired.
I'd take double digits. Is that really too absurd to ask for?
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