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re: The Auburn 4- Why did Goodwin get 15 years?
Posted on 11/1/15 at 5:29 pm to Warfarer
Posted on 11/1/15 at 5:29 pm to Warfarer
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that is the risk you run for using up the DA's time. If they pleaded down then it would have saved the state a ton of money and the DA office a lot of time. You can't expect the same sentence if you don't plead down.
So now "justice" is vengeance on a plaintiff for pissing off the government? Not for the actual law that was broken?
That sounds pretty fricked up to me. Know why? Because it says in the CONSTITUTION that every citizen has a RIGHT to a fair trial.
So you're saying we have a justice system that punishes people for exercising their RIGHTS? You know what, I believe you.
And if that doesn't worry you as much as it does me...
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Posted on 11/1/15 at 5:37 pm to beatbammer
Im going to upvote this. Record this moment.
Nice lengthy read on a local example of how the justice system is fricked up. Private prisons are one of the big reasons
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Nice lengthy read on a local example of how the justice system is fricked up. Private prisons are one of the big reasons
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Posted on 11/1/15 at 5:39 pm to beatbammer
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That sounds pretty fricked up to me. Know why? Because it says in the CONSTITUTION that every citizen has a RIGHT to a fair trial.
So you're saying we have a justice system that punishes people for exercising their RIGHTS? You know what, I believe you.
They aren't being punished more for exercising their right to a fair trial, they just receive punishment more in line with the crime if they don't plea. A lot of the time that a plea deal is offered is because the DA has a full plate and don't want to frick with it and/or doesn't have a great case so they are willing to plea it down to bare minimum sentence.
And for the record, after being on jury duty a couple times, my biggest fear in this world is trial by a jury of my "peers". Sitting there before getting chosen for jury, the judge asked who wanted to be there and I was literally the only person to raise their hand. He asked me why I didn't want to be there and I told him that I had a job that depended on me and didn't have the time to be there. That right there makes the rest of the jury pool not my peer.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 5:56 pm to beatbammer
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So now "justice" is vengeance on a plaintiff for pissing off the government? Not for the actual law that was broken?
That sounds pretty fricked up to me. Know why? Because it says in the CONSTITUTION that every citizen has a RIGHT to a fair trial.
So you're saying we have a justice system that punishes people for exercising their RIGHTS? You know what, I believe you.
And if that doesn't worry you as much as it does me...
You're backwards. It's not punishment for going to trial. The plea deal is a "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" deal. Don't waste my time, and I will help you get off easier. It's not perfect, but it's practical.
If you want to exercise your right to a fair trial, then the DA is going to try you on the original crimes and not ask for leniency. You get a fair punishment to go with that fair trial.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 6:14 pm to beatbammer
How are they taking the citizens right to a trial away? They have a choice.
They offer you a deal which is usually less than what you would think you would get at the trial. You then have to decide whether you want to take the deal or risk it in trial.
In other words, it's certainly not a punishment to the defendant. If anything, it's an added benefit to the defendant to have the choice.
They offer you a deal which is usually less than what you would think you would get at the trial. You then have to decide whether you want to take the deal or risk it in trial.
In other words, it's certainly not a punishment to the defendant. If anything, it's an added benefit to the defendant to have the choice.
This post was edited on 11/1/15 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 11/1/15 at 8:29 pm to beatbammer
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So now "justice" is vengeance on a plaintiff for pissing off the government? Not for the actual law that was broken?
No. You get plea deals in order to save the government expenses. Why do you think almost no one gets the maximum? What you get upon a guilty conviction is "for the actual law that was broken"
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That sounds pretty fricked up to me. Know why?
lol can't wait to see this
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Because it says in the CONSTITUTION that every citizen has a RIGHT to a fair trial.
It is a fair trial. Do you know what the Sixth Amendment says?
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence"
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So you're saying we have a justice system that punishes people for exercising their RIGHTS?
No. We have a justice system that punishes criminals. And will offer lighter sentences in order to save time and money.
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