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Posted on 10/30/15 at 12:59 pm to bopper50
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Saban is a great Coach who surrounds himself with good coaches and other talented staff.
[quote]The Florida and Georgia coaching staffs are very familiar with each other from their time at Alabama: Jim McElwain, Doug Nussmeier, Geoff Collins and Chris Rumph all worked at Alabama and Georgia defensive coordinator Jeremy Pruitt spent at least one year working with each of them. The staff familiarity doesn't end there. McElwain noted this week that he had to change offensive signals since Georgia offensive line coach Rob Sale once worked under him as an offensive assistant. A total of eight former Alabama assistants will be coaching in this weekend's Florida Georgia game, four on each sideline.
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Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:01 pm to dkreller
Alabama has contended for a national championship into November/December 7 of the past 8 seasons.
Alabama has been ranked #1 in the polls at some point during the year 7 straight seasons (will probably take winning the national title to keep that streak going at this point).
Alabama has gone 8-0 or 7-1 in conference play 6 of the past 7 years and with a win over LSU will likely make it 7 of 8.
The dynasty is alive and well.
We have what about ~100 D1-A programs would consider a "dream season" every single season.
Winning the national championship every single year isn't going to happen. I'll take 12-2 and being SEC champs as our "failure" seasons just fine.
Alabama has been ranked #1 in the polls at some point during the year 7 straight seasons (will probably take winning the national title to keep that streak going at this point).
Alabama has gone 8-0 or 7-1 in conference play 6 of the past 7 years and with a win over LSU will likely make it 7 of 8.
The dynasty is alive and well.
We have what about ~100 D1-A programs would consider a "dream season" every single season.
Winning the national championship every single year isn't going to happen. I'll take 12-2 and being SEC champs as our "failure" seasons just fine.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:03 pm to Funky Tide 8
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This point is completely moot considering the level of competition and parity and the SEC compared to when the coaches you listed coached.
Maybe there is more parity because the program at the top can't ever seem to put it together all year, every year as did Spurrier, etc.
While Spurrier only had one National Title at Florida, he did dominate the SEC like no coach has done since Bryant. He won 4 straight SEC Titles and 5 out of 6.
And the SEC was no slouch at that time either. From 1991-1996, Florida won 5 out of 6 SEC Titles yet Alabama had Alabama had three Top 5 finishes (1991, 1992, & 1994) including a National Title. Auburn (1993) and Tennessee (1994) also had Top 5 finishes during the era. So its not like the SEC was chopped liver while Spurrier was dominating the league. He just was able to close the deal each year and win the conference title.
This is pretty much my point. While Saban has been dominant for sure, he's failed to truly dominate (in terms of championships) the SEC during this "dynasty". He's certainly failed to win as many as one would think he should have with all that talent.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:03 pm to nc14
Even they refer to this game as "Game of the Century". Well, after you win 4 "Games of the Century" in a row, it's no longer the "Game of the Century". It's the "Game of the Week". Every year Bama is going to have a game to determine if they move closer to the NCG. Next week, it'll be someone different, as will next year.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:06 pm to BHMKyle
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Saban has been dominant for sure
The End.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:11 pm to BHMKyle
During the seven years Saban has served as head football coach, Alabama has compiled an overall record of 85–17 (.833), seven bowl game appearances with five victories, a share of five SEC Western Division titles, three SEC championships, and three national championships
You're right, he should do better.
You're right, he should do better.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:15 pm to elit4ce05
No way dude, Alabama doesn't win the national championship every single year, that proves they suck.
*things other fanbases have to tell themselves to cope*
*things other fanbases have to tell themselves to cope*
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:18 pm to elit4ce05
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During the seven years Saban has served as head football coach, Alabama has compiled an overall record of 85–17 (.833), seven bowl game appearances with five victories, a share of five SEC Western Division titles, three SEC championships, and three national championships
You're right, he should do better.
This is year 9, bud.
No one is disputing that Saban has had an unbelievable run as Bama's HC. But if they fail to win the SEC or National Title this year, that means he'll have 3 National Title and 3 SEC Titles in 9 years.
That's great. But when you go 3 straight years without a National Title, the dynasty label gets removed.
Look Spurrier was still an incredible coach when he retired from Florida in 2001. He had a #3 finish in 2001, and he was the SEC Title the year prior, in 2000.
But the dynasty label had been removed for quite awhile.
This is the territory that Saban is flirting with.
If Bama loses another regular season game, then Alabama will have 1 SEC Title, 1 SEC West Title and zero National Titles over a 3-year period. While they'll have been great over those 3 years, that is not dynasty calibur. The dynasty would be over at that point. And I believe most any reasonable person would agree.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:18 pm to BHMKyle
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Agree with the OP
But this is make-or-break if Alabama still wants to be considered the top program in the land. If Bama loses to LSU, the dynasty is over, IMO. You can't go 3 years without a national title and still be called a "dynasty"
The thing about Saban is that while he's won a lot of Titles and been amazingly successful, he's never even won consecutive SEC Championships. Since Bear Bryant, here are the coaches who have managed to win consecutive SEC Titles:
4- Spurrier
3- Dooley
3- Dye
2- Fulmer
2- Majors
Because Saban won consecutive National Titles (2011/2012), I think he gets a pass. But it is strange to award the "dynasty" label to a coach and program who can't seem to win the SEC more than just 1 time in a row.
If the dynasty is to continue, they've got to win the SEC and the National Title this year.
not simply this game. If they win this game but go on to lose to the east in the championship game I think its safe to say their dynasty died 2 years ago.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:25 pm to SuperKyle
so you're saying.. if UA doesn't beat LSU 5 straight times in a row and go to the NC game, they are shite..."dynasty" over? Dang
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:30 pm to elit4ce05
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so you're saying.. if UA doesn't beat LSU 5 straight times in a row and go to the NC game, they are shite..."dynasty" over? Dang
Shite? Nope
Dynasty over? Yes
Dynasty programs don't fail to win their conference division 2 out of 3 years.
As someone said earlier in this post, the Saban dynasty lasted from 2009 - TBA.
If Bama wins the National Title this year, then the dynasty is still on. If they fail to win the SEC West, then I think we can all conclude that the dynasty years ended after 2012, and Bama's been just a really good, underachieving program from 2013-2015.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:34 pm to BHMKyle
I would say as long as they are at or near the top of most feared teams in the nation, nothing has changed.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:37 pm to elit4ce05
I have a hard time including the consideration/fact of a loss to Ole Miss ... and then arriving at "Dynasty."
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:39 pm to elit4ce05
It is pretty cute to watch jealous SEC fanbases try to poo-poo away one of the greatest eras of success in SEC history.
They've been reduced to nit picking what the term "dynasty" means.
In case you hadn't noticed, "dynasty" is a subjective term, there is no official definition or anything, it's more just a general public consensus.
You can make whatever bullshite definition you need to help you cope with Alabama's dominance and your own program's lack of accomplishment.
They've been reduced to nit picking what the term "dynasty" means.
In case you hadn't noticed, "dynasty" is a subjective term, there is no official definition or anything, it's more just a general public consensus.
You can make whatever bullshite definition you need to help you cope with Alabama's dominance and your own program's lack of accomplishment.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:40 pm to navy
Of course you would. a
"Dynasty" can never lose, right?
This gives me the sads.
"Dynasty" can never lose, right?
This gives me the sads.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:40 pm to elit4ce05
I see it this way... We won two straight, came a game away from the national title on 13, and a game away from the national title in 14 and lost to the champion. So the two years we didn't win it, we came one game short.
If we fall short this year, but win it next year, is it over?
I think Saban has at least one more title left in him before he retires. If not, it's still been a fantastic run that I didn't expect to ever seer at Bama again.
If we fall short this year, but win it next year, is it over?
I think Saban has at least one more title left in him before he retires. If not, it's still been a fantastic run that I didn't expect to ever seer at Bama again.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:43 pm to CCTider
You heard the man....
UA must win 5 "games of the Century" in a row then win the NCG... or "NO SOUP FOR YOU"
UA must win 5 "games of the Century" in a row then win the NCG... or "NO SOUP FOR YOU"
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:52 pm to dkreller
quote:You may be right, but at least this Bama fan was alive 'n well and witnessed this Dynasty run. My father was alive 'n well during Coach Bryants days and he witnessed the 60's & 70's Dynasty.
I'm not denying the "Dynasty"....but it's over baw
Everything comes to an end eventually - but damn I'm just glad I could experience this run.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 2:01 pm to RT1941
I witnessed both... yeah, I know.....< ole fart >
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