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re: Dispelling the myth of "3rd and Chavis"
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:17 pm to Guava Jelly
Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:17 pm to Guava Jelly
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You can't just change the conversation to fit your argument, pop. An Ag fan introduced the idea that Chavis's defenses struggle on third downs late in close games because they're too exhausted to play man coverage on pass plays.
I pointed out that his defenses are plenty rested compared to their Ag counterparts.
This isn't a new part of the conversation. The Miles TOP advantage myth was one of the earliest anti-Chavis talking points on this board.
You were the one who claimed LSU is consistently among the conference TOP leaders. I showed that was incorrect. Unless you are actually arguing that an average rank of 6 is "consistently"?
And aside from that, I demonstrated that LSU's TOP is mediocre on the national scale. Chavis has elite defenses DESPITE LSU's mediocre TOP.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:20 pm to Mirthomatic
Damn you probably know more about LSU and Tennessee team history than aTm.. 
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:36 pm to Mirthomatic
I'm talking about the conversation that has happened here in this thread. Bulldozing into the concersation isn't going to change its substance.
Ok, I misspoke when I said the consistently leading the SEC. But that doesn't detract from the meat of the discussion.
I'll outline the arguments being made in THIS discussion to make it easy for you:
Most people acknowledge that Chavis's defenses do well in the first 3 quarters. The thing that people complain about (the issue that is at the heart of "3rd and Chavis") is that late in close games his defenses give up big chunks of yardage on 3rd down.
An Ag poster posited that a possible reason for this phenomenon is that Chavis's defenses were so "exhausted" at the end of games.
However, during Chavis's tenure, LSU's offense (which had an average TOP of roughly 31 minutes) was on the field nearly twice as long as the defense (17 minutes on average).
Furthermore, I pointed out that on Sumlin's teams over the same stretch of time the TOP (27 minutes) is lower by an average of four minutes. Thus, if the argument that Chavis's defenses were the exhausted masses they were supposed to be were true (and if "3rd and Chavis" is caused by tired defenses) the problem would not soon correct itself in a Sumlin scheme.
Up to speed?
Ok, I misspoke when I said the consistently leading the SEC. But that doesn't detract from the meat of the discussion.
I'll outline the arguments being made in THIS discussion to make it easy for you:
Most people acknowledge that Chavis's defenses do well in the first 3 quarters. The thing that people complain about (the issue that is at the heart of "3rd and Chavis") is that late in close games his defenses give up big chunks of yardage on 3rd down.
An Ag poster posited that a possible reason for this phenomenon is that Chavis's defenses were so "exhausted" at the end of games.
However, during Chavis's tenure, LSU's offense (which had an average TOP of roughly 31 minutes) was on the field nearly twice as long as the defense (17 minutes on average).
Furthermore, I pointed out that on Sumlin's teams over the same stretch of time the TOP (27 minutes) is lower by an average of four minutes. Thus, if the argument that Chavis's defenses were the exhausted masses they were supposed to be were true (and if "3rd and Chavis" is caused by tired defenses) the problem would not soon correct itself in a Sumlin scheme.
Up to speed?
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 5:41 pm
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