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re: Disappointing recruits of the last 3 years or so....

Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:58 am to
Posted by GFunk
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:58 am to
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ReauxlTide222
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y'all and y'all's records I can name 7 freshman to rush for 1000 in the SEC in the past 5 years. LSU fans...........it's going to keep happening.


So you look back in time to say he's severely over-rated, but then when you're provided factual evidence that he's one of an extremely small number of backs to do what he did-and did so with two senior tailbacks ahead of him to start the year-you admit it and then immediately turn forwards in order to say, "Well this is not meaningful because this will continue to happen."

So you denigrate fans or supporters of the player who disagree with you for using stats from verifiable on field performance to disagree with you, and then go on to say that they cannot do this because you think this will become more common in the future. Which you-nor anyone else on Earth-have any possible way of confirming as fact?

Looking through your post you've sort've jumped off the logic train in order to disagree with me or paint LSU fans as illogical in general. It's ironic in a way. But moreso, it's telling that you can't use logic or apply reason to your opinion to support it, so you're attacking others and sort've making things up as you go along to do so.

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There goes that record thing again. And how many starting RBs returned kickoffs? All-purpose yards? Neat?


So now you're saying that his performance in multiple aspects of the game should not be considered towards his performance as a player? He was the 4th leading returner in the SEC on KOR. He consistently helped put us in good field position to start offensive drives, which was of vital importance for us on offense as we both admit we struggled to put it mildly.

But this impact shouldn't be considered because "no other tailbacks were on KOR". So when you're evaluating a player you can only use their primary position? Reggie Bush caught 100 passes one year for the Saints. Are you supposed to forget about that part of his game because he's a running back?

...and what does it say about other tailbacks in the SEC that they aren't on KOR? That they aren't as skilled or capable of impacting the game in that area?

You seem to want to arbitrarily confine the discussion as it pertains to Fournette. Why is this? It seems like the more you evaluate the player, and not just confine him to the specific aspects you'd like to, he becomes a more impactful, complete, well-rounded, and more valuable player.

This won't fit your preconceived notion, so again, you're out to exclude context in order to fit that notion. Whether you like it or not, you're literally providing another example of confirmation bias in the same post where you're denying it.

I'm just curious...Do you see what you're doing here? Or are you unwilling to admit to the fact that you went overboard and are trying your best to be right instead of actually be objective? There's a huge difference between the two points in this discussion. I think I've made that apparent.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 11:01 am
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:05 am to
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So you look back in time to say he's severely over-rated, but then when you're provided factual evidence that he's one of an extremely small number of backs to do what he did-and did so with two senior tailbacks ahead of him to start the year-you admit it and then immediately turn forwards in order to say, "Well this is not meaningful because this will continue to happen."
What? YES. Over the last 5 years, we're averaging more than 1 freshman RB going over 1000 yards per year. It's not very meaningful like y'all are implying. More common in the future? It's happening now and has for the past 5 years...
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I'm just curious...Do you see what you're doing here? Or are you unwilling to admit to the fact that you went overboard and are trying your best to be right instead of actually be objective?
I honestly believe that I'm being objective while you are not.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 11:11 am
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83594 posts
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:10 am to
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So now you're saying that his performance in multiple aspects of the game should not be considered towards his performance as a player? He was the 4th leading returner in the SEC on KOR. He consistently helped put us in good field position to start offensive drives, which was of vital importance for us on offense as we both admit we struggled to put it mildly.
No, it should not be considered. Return guys get yards. Just about anybody back there will just rack up yards. It has nothing to do with a RB's hype and what he brings. Arkansas finished #1 in return yards at 25.3 yards per return. 11 of the 14 SEC teams finished with averages over 20 yards per return. If you're back there, you're getting yards. They are completely irrelevant and don't mean LF is any better than anybody else at anything.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 11:12 am
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