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re: Does Chavis need a ball control offense, with elite Time of Possession?

Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:43 pm to
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
4113 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:43 pm to
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The rankings of TOP and and total/scoring D are meaningless stats without actual values. That's like saying my dick is the third biggest on this board. It's true, and illustrates that I am humble, but doesn't provide context or measurables. I'll admit this TOP point is beaten like a drum and I don't completely buy it, but this is a pretty shakey way to go about debunking it.


I disagree. If I just gave you the average yardage and score given up, that would tell you LESS. The rankings actually give you the context of how well a unit performs in relation to others. When a Chavis defense has to deal with a team TOP that is ranked #103, then nearly every other defense in D1 is getting more help from their offense.

And yet he is STILL outperforming many/most of them.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25348 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:50 pm to
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I disagree. If I just gave you the average yardage and score given up, that would tell you LESS.


boy talk about a false dichotomy. This really shouldn't need clarification, but he obviously wants both sets of data.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17377 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 4:01 pm to
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If I just gave you the average yardage and score given up, that would tell you LESS.


How?

You really don't believe looking at a plot of actual TOP versus yards or points allowed would be a more valuable metric?

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When a Chavis defense has to deal with a team TOP that is ranked #103, then nearly every other defense in D1 is getting more help from their offense.



Not sure what this statement is actually trying to say. I do know as an LSU fan I could have given a shite what our defense was ranked if it didn't translate to 10+ wins. It's easy to pad stats when most of the seasons Chavis coached boiled down to just beating Bama and either AU or UF any given year. When the entire season is lumped and averaged, it hides the actual game to game trends, which is something I suspect you know and are counting on.
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