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Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:46 pm
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 8:46 pm
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/sec-releases-kickoff-times-for-season-first-3-weeks/

Sept. 3 — South Carolina vs. North Carolina (in Charlotte), 6 p.m., ESPN

Sept. 12 — Kentucky at South Carolina, 7:30 p.m., SECN

Sept. 19 — South Carolina at Georgia, 6 p.m., ESPN

2 of the first 3 are on ESPN, that's more than any of the others.

Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:19 am to
So .... what should we realistically expect our record to be after those three games?
Posted by Mr.Sinister
South Carolina
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:01 am to
Cheaters= win but an ugly one as usual first game of season

Kentucky= should be a win, but we shoot ourselves in the game alot.

uga= most likely a loss being in athens and first real test for our offense and defense.

2-1 hopefully.
will have a badly damaged liver if worse than that by this time.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:09 am to
quote:

So .... what should we realistically expect our record to be after those three games?


We are dealing with some unknowns coming into this season.

Will we have a better pass rush?
Have the DB's learned and improved?
Can Mitch complete over 65% of his passes?
Will the left side of the OL be ok?

Those are the 4 big questions. I'm not worried about our Run game, or Run defense. I think those will be strong, and I think we'll be strong on Spec Teams.

Considering those 3 matchups:
unc will run the HUNH spread, so can we rotate fresh defenders who contribute quality reps and can their DC, Chizik, turn around that defense of theirs in 1 year? It was worse than our's.
I think we win this game.

kent will have a better team this year than last year. So to me this game is going to depend on the defense at home. We'll be able to move the ball against them, but can we stop the wildcat RB? I believe we'll focus on that a lot in the weekly practices leading up to the game.
I don't remember the last time Kent beat us at home,
I think we win this game.

uga will be the toughest of those 3 games, but their offense won't be as good as last year's. Their QB situation is worse off than our's, but their OL is better. Their RB situation is better. We have better WR's and despite what the media writes, I like TE Adams better than their Jeb.
Their defense had a much better year than us last year. However, we should have a better pass rush. This is an away game though, but we have beaten them 4outta5 years and the HBC loves beating georgia.
This is a toss up game for us.

Realistically, anything from 0-3 to 3-0 could happen, b/c of our unknowns. If we beat unc and kent and have a pass rush, I will be very confident we'll beat uga.

Gun to my head, I would say 3-0, b/c I refuse to forecast failure when every other school is dealing with unknowns as well.
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 9:13 am
Posted by FlatwoodsForester
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 10:42 am to
2-1 is what I would guess.

I give us the win mainly because it's in Athens, and I expect us to wear down your defense running the ball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but y'alls depth on defense isn't the best isn't? Our QB situation is a huge unknown. So, it could go either way. We just need who ever the starter is to not turn the ball over. If he can do that, then we should be okay.

Should be a fun game, especially since it's at 6. Crowd will be rowdy by that time.

Posted by bwoody
Georgia
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:48 pm to
quote:

Their QB situation is worse off than our's

How so?
quote:

However, we should have a better pass rush

Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:50 pm to
At Athens is going to be tough.

The first three are crucial. We cannot overlook UNC or Kentucky .... we're not that good.

3-0 would be huge .... and I hope we can pull that off. One neutral, one at home, the third on the road in front of a very hostile rival crowd.

Good goah I hope our young guys are ready for the challenge.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 3:29 am to
2-1 is realistic.
1-2 happens if we have a slip up against UNC or UK.
0-3 would be the end of the Spurrier Era.


And why the hell are we opening SEC play with UK?
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 7:58 am to
quote:

However, we should have a better pass rush


The projection summary had some credibility until you made this claim. There is no way in hell you believe this, but I’d like to hear your thought process...
Posted by CarolinaCock
South Carolina
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:33 am to
Our thought process is that we have all Juco d-lineman up front. These are actual DE's. I actually think our defense is going to be pretty good or at least not as bad off as people think or want to believe. They will be experienced.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

The projection summary had some credibility until you made this claim. There is no way in hell you believe this, but I’d like to hear your thought process...


Our DE's last year were awful, we're bringing in the 2 best JUCO DE's in the country in Lewis and Sawyer, plus a new scheme with the 4-3 and Hoke's version of the nickel. We'll also have the most talent and depth at the DE position that we've had since '12. BAW is going to be on the field more in the 4-3 base and he's an excellent pass rusher.

Why do you think our pass rush won't be better?
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 6:01 pm to
I think he thought you meant that your pass rush will be better than UGA's. I agree that USC's pass rush should be improved, but UGA likely has best group of pass rushers I the conference with Floyd, Jenkins, and Carter.
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 6/20/15 at 6:19 pm to
UNC:

The Tarheels have a pretty solid offense, and they return most of their key offensive players plus all I think of their OL. USC actually had a better offense than they had last year (they trailed in everything but scoring offense, where they averaged about 1 point more per gm than we did in a weak ACC), but we lost more key personnel from last yr. than them.

As bad as our defense was last season, their's was even worse. Both teams now have new DCs as a result, and UNC's DC (Gene Chizik) hasn't been a true DC for years, and further I don't think UNC made the kind of improvements in personnel to their unit as USC did with ours, so I would think that USC should hold an edge defensively in this game - maybe even a decisive edge.

Our QB Mitch will most likely have a few hiccups in this game - hopefully they are as few as possible. USC has a good chance to win this one...


Kentucky:

Last years' UK game was a total meltdown by the Gamecocks. Lost 45-38 after leading 38-24 about half-way through the 4th. Thompson throws 2 INTs in USC's last 2 possessions that give UK the lead, and that kills our chances of tying the score. UK's Kemp rushes 14 times for 116 of his 131 yards for the day, plus scores 2 TDs and we can't stop him.

UK's defense was as bad as ours was last season. They have as many questions there this off-season as we do. IMO due to it being the season-opener in W-B and due to the nature of the loss to them last season, our team will be eyeing this game, and the fanbase will be as well. Our offense should get another breather against a poor defense to make things happen, and hopefully our staff prepares for the wildcat option better this time around. I think USC should be favored to win this game as well...

UGA:

This will be the best of the 3 defenses by far, and it will be on their home field. They feel they let one get away last season in Columbia, and I'm sure even if they didn't, they'd have this game circled on their calendar since we've beaten them 4 of the past 5 years.

UGA has some questions of their own with a new QB and new WRs, and they typically are a bit slow to get the team going every season. It's another scenario for both teams as they start over with new QBs for consecutive seasons - last season Thompson passed on UGA with ease in the 1st half, which I think is due to SOS having UGA's number in play-calling.

This will be tough game. Without knowing more about both teams, the logical call would be that USC loses to UGA here. However in any case I think we give UGA a battle, and if we see improvements in our defense and Mitch plays with confidence I can see us pulling a surprise win here....
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

I think he thought you meant that your pass rush will be better than UGA's. I agree that USC's pass rush should be improved, but UGA likely has best group of pass rushers I the conference with Floyd, Jenkins, and Carter.


So is it our time to " "? UGA was 7th in the SEC last season in QB sacks, and 11th ( ) in TFL......

I'll admit that UGA's LBs are among the best in the SEC - they are excellent tacklers and are everywhere. But with UGA's 3-4 scheme - much like Bama's - they are the key play-makers on your front 7 so they are supposed to be good and lead the team in those categories.


But UGA hasn't led the SEC in sacks or TFL for years, even before Grantham was your DC. USC has led the SEC in sacks TWICE in the last few years. It's laughable to make any claim about UGA's superiority at pass rushing until they actually do it at least once....
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 6:32 pm
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/21/15 at 8:02 am to
quote:

Why do you think our pass rush won't be better?


I must have misinterpreted your statement. I read that as, USC will have a better pass rush than UGA since the write-up was comparing different positions. My mistake.

To your question, I do think the Gamecocks will be much improved at rushing the passer. If only by default, since last year’s team lacked the top line talent. From an outside perspective, the Gamecocks seemed to put a premium on DE in last years class. Between Lewis, Blackshear, Wideman and Sawyer, I think there is enough talent in numbers to put some pressure on the opposing the offense.
Posted by Glory, Glory
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/21/15 at 8:11 am to
quote:

So is it our time to " "? UGA was 7th in the SEC last season in QB sacks, and 11th ( ) in TFL......

I'll admit that UGA's LBs are among the best in the SEC - they are excellent tacklers and are everywhere. But with UGA's 3-4 scheme - much like Bama's - they are the key play-makers on your front 7 so they are supposed to be good and lead the team in those categories.


But UGA hasn't led the SEC in sacks or TFL for years, even before Grantham was your DC. USC has led the SEC in sacks TWICE in the last few years. It's laughable to make any claim about UGA's superiority at pass rushing until they actually do it at least once....


Does 2011 and 2012 count for UGA? I’m trying to find a player from South Carolina who has led the league in sacks, but I’m having trouble. Could you help?
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/21/15 at 11:25 am to
quote:

Does 2011 and 2012 count for UGA?


SEC Team Sacks rankings since 2008 (it's as far back as the site would list)

2008 - 4th South Carolina (31), 9th Georgia (23)
2009 - 4th Georgia (30), 7th South Carolina (26)
2010 - 1st South Carolina (41), 9th Georgia (24)
2011 - 2nd Georgia (35), 3rd South Carolina (31)
2012 - 1st South Carolina (43), 5th Georgia (32)
2013 - 2nd Georgia (33), 7th South Carolina (25)
2014 - 7th Georgia (28), 14th South Carolina(14)

total sacks = South Carolina 214, Georgia 203.

Individual Sacks Top 10

2008 - 2nd Eric Norwood 9.0 (USC), *25th Jarius Wynn 3.0 (UGa) - highest ranked UGa player
2009 - 3rd Justin Houston 7.5 (UGa), 4th-tie Eric Norwood 7.0 (USC), Cliff Matthews 7.0 (USC)
2010 - 2nd Justin Houston 11.0 (UGa), 3rd Melvin Ingram 9.0 (USC), 4th Devin Taylor 7.5 (USC)
2011 - 1st Jarvis Jones 13.5 (UGa), 2nd Melvin Ingram 10.0 (USC), 7th Jadeveon Clowey 8.0 (USC), 10th Devin Taylor 6.0 (USC)
2012 - 1st Jarvis Jones 14.5 (UGa), 2nd Jadeveon Clowney 13.0 (USC),
2013 - 3rd Kelcy Quarles 9.5 (USC), 7th Leonard Floyd 6.5 (UGa)
2014 - nobody for either school finished top 10


SEC football stats

it appears USC has been able to place multiple players within top 10 in sacks more so than Georgia.
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/21/15 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

Does 2011 and 2012 count for UGA? I’m trying to find a player from South Carolina who has led the league in sacks, but I’m having trouble. Could you help?


quote:

I think he thought you meant that your pass rush will be better than UGA's. I agree that USC's pass rush should be improved, but UGA likely has best group of pass rushers I the conference with Floyd, Jenkins, and Carter.


You're talking about individual pass rushers, when my response - and the comment that I responded to - were more related to defense-wide than any individual players. USC's own defense has huge questions for next season, and our own pass rushing ability was atrocious. It should improve just by principle IMO, as it can't get any worse. Hopefully it improves substantially. But the initial comparisons made more involved the defenses as a unit, not any individual players.

Last season Floyd was tied in the SEC for 11th in QB sacks, Jenkins was tied for 14th, and Carter was tied for 17th....
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 6/21/15 at 10:30 pm to
Do we miss Brad Lawing?
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
5896 posts
Posted on 6/22/15 at 10:41 am to
quote:

Do we miss Brad Lawing?



In terms of gap control and daily coaching acumen, yes.

But I've heard from too many people that his failures in recruiting were largely responsible for the overall talent deficiency we saw last year.
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