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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:10 pm to 5thTiger
Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:10 pm to 5thTiger
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Abortion is such a controversial issue. I never stated anything about it. I don't think I've ever really taken a side on the issue. But there is a big difference between abortion and SSM, at least in public perception.
Please explain the difference. SSM seems pretty controversial as well. Both of them are opposed on 'religious' grounds.
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I think alot of people would agree that those 2 specific issues (especially SSM) are inevitable to become legal in some form.
I think a lot of people would disagree as well.
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We certainly disagree once again. But to clarify, I wasn't suggesting all social issues, only certain ones like SSM and marijuana.
Considering nearly 100 years after the repeal of prohibition, we still have blue laws and dry counties, I doubt the legalization of any social act is inevitable.
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Not everything, but some things it would be in their best interest to back down on. Give up a battle to win the war.
You never want to be on the wrong side of history is all I am saying.
Yeah, the USSR used to declare the USA was on the wrong side of history. Guess who had the last laugh on that one?
The fact of the matter is that the gaystapo comprises an extremely small fraction of the population, around 4%. This vs a much, much larger percentage of conservative Christians, blacks, and muslims, all who oppose gay marriage.
The argument that the DNC is doing more damage to themselves by pushing SSM is much stronger. The DNC is bleeding white blue collar support like a head wound. And their solution is to push an agenda from 4% of the voting population that goes against the values of that same voting block they are trying to get back?
SSM may become legal at the federal level. But the DNC is stupid to push it. Abortion didn't 'go away' after 1976 as an issue. There was no surrender by the GOP, and now its an albatross around the neck of every dem in a red state. The same will likely be for the current unpopular 'inevitable' social issues the DNC is pushing for.
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:25 pm to cokebottleag
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Yeah, the USSR used to declare the USA was on the wrong side of history. Guess who had the last laugh on that one?
The fact of the matter is that the gaystapo comprises an extremely small fraction of the population, around 4%. This vs a much, much larger percentage of conservative Christians, blacks, and muslims, all who oppose gay marriage.
That is a terrible example. Hate using this example but, slavery was once a socially conservative issue. You can argue the economic value of it all day, but at what cost? There are certain social issues that in the context of America that have to be addressed.
As for my "give up battle to win war." Think more WWII. Allies cracked Nazi communication code, yet did not reveal it until many years later. They allowed certain ships to be sunk in order to keep it a secret that they had broken the code. It ended up winning the war.
And where is that 4% coming from? Is that 4% of the total population is gay? Or 4% of the population supports SSM?
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Considering nearly 100 years after the repeal of prohibition, we still have blue laws and dry counties, I doubt the legalization of any social act is inevitable.
The amount of dry counties is so small that it can hardly be considered an issue. Granholm v Heald settled any debate on that (stated that states could not regulate shipments of alcohol). Less than 10 states have municipalities that have dry standards. 1 of those is Tennessee, which is one of the largest producers of alcohol, including a Jack Daniels plant within a dry county.
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SSM may become legal at the federal level. But the DNC is stupid to push it.
I think statistics would disagree.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:31 pm to cokebottleag
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This vs a much, much larger percentage of conservative Christians, blacks, and muslims, all who oppose gay marriage.
So Muslims and Blacks are going to vote GOP because of gay marriage.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:59 pm to cokebottleag
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Please explain the difference. SSM seems pretty controversial as well. Both of them are opposed on 'religious' grounds.
One involves the question of when life begins and possible murder and the other involves letting gays get the same benefits of marriage that heterosexuals do. Strikes me as easy to differentiate.
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The fact of the matter is that the gaystapo comprises an extremely small fraction of the population, around 4%. This vs a much, much larger percentage of conservative Christians
Not voting Dem anyway
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blacks, and muslims
Not voting GOP anyway.
Opinion Poll on Gay Marriage over time from Gallop
The trend suggests it's a winning issue for the DNC. Furthermore, SSM has support from those 18-50 years old. It's the 51-super old that are still majority opposed. Even in the old category, you can see an increase of support toward SSM of about 25% over the past 18 years.
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The argument that the DNC is doing more damage to themselves by pushing SSM is much stronger. The DNC is bleeding white blue collar support like a head wound. And their solution is to push an agenda from 4% of the voting population that goes against the values of that same voting block they are trying to get back?
It's an issue the majority of Americans agree with them on and the trend is also going toward more support of SSM. You argue this is damaging because it's causing the Dems to lose blue collar white folks? They've been losing them as organized labor has lost favor. You got something to support the notion they are going to the GOP because of SSM?
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