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re: 2016 Presidential Election
Posted on 4/14/15 at 11:55 am to cokebottleag
Posted on 4/14/15 at 11:55 am to cokebottleag
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Liberals are not going to vote for the GOP, regardless of how many social issues the GOP surrenders on. Both sides like to go on the airwaves and give advice to the opposite wing that generally goes a lot like "The opposition really doesn't understand that they need to move more toward my opinion. Since my opinion is the morally right and popular opinion, they won't win unless they shift their views to be more like mine". What this really shows is ignorance of how the other side thinks. Gay marriage is not a popular issue in MANY areas of the country. Judges have been striking down anti-SSM laws, but those laws have been going up by referendum or by popular demand, not by executive order. I'm ambivalent toward gay marriage one way or the other as it affects my life not one iota, but it isn't as popular or as 'inevitable' as so many of it's proponents want people to believe.
We certainly disagree once again. But to clarify, I wasn't suggesting all social issues, only certain ones like SSM and marijuana.
I think alot of people would agree that those 2 specific issues (especially SSM) are inevitable to become legal in some form.
Abortion is such a controversial issue. I never stated anything about it. I don't think I've ever really taken a side on the issue. But there is a big difference between abortion and SSM, at least in public perception.
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Basically, you're saying "The GOP really needs to act more liberal, being socially conservative is holding them back."
Not everything, but some things it would be in their best interest to back down on. Give up a battle to win the war.
You never want to be on the wrong side of history is all I am saying.
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Both parties do best when they are able to play to their base, and pull in a majority of the center vote. They do not do well when they move toward the center so much that they lose their base support. Obama was a far-leftist, and Bush openly described himself as a "Compassionate Conservative".
This definitely depends on the candidate. Romney was a moderate, but that isn't why he lost. He lost due to shooting himself in the foot, and his personal life. Whether it is right or wrong, being rich and Mormon cost him a lot of votes.
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:10 pm to 5thTiger
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Abortion is such a controversial issue. I never stated anything about it. I don't think I've ever really taken a side on the issue. But there is a big difference between abortion and SSM, at least in public perception.
Please explain the difference. SSM seems pretty controversial as well. Both of them are opposed on 'religious' grounds.
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I think alot of people would agree that those 2 specific issues (especially SSM) are inevitable to become legal in some form.
I think a lot of people would disagree as well.
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We certainly disagree once again. But to clarify, I wasn't suggesting all social issues, only certain ones like SSM and marijuana.
Considering nearly 100 years after the repeal of prohibition, we still have blue laws and dry counties, I doubt the legalization of any social act is inevitable.
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Not everything, but some things it would be in their best interest to back down on. Give up a battle to win the war.
You never want to be on the wrong side of history is all I am saying.
Yeah, the USSR used to declare the USA was on the wrong side of history. Guess who had the last laugh on that one?
The fact of the matter is that the gaystapo comprises an extremely small fraction of the population, around 4%. This vs a much, much larger percentage of conservative Christians, blacks, and muslims, all who oppose gay marriage.
The argument that the DNC is doing more damage to themselves by pushing SSM is much stronger. The DNC is bleeding white blue collar support like a head wound. And their solution is to push an agenda from 4% of the voting population that goes against the values of that same voting block they are trying to get back?
SSM may become legal at the federal level. But the DNC is stupid to push it. Abortion didn't 'go away' after 1976 as an issue. There was no surrender by the GOP, and now its an albatross around the neck of every dem in a red state. The same will likely be for the current unpopular 'inevitable' social issues the DNC is pushing for.
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