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re: UGA pulls a UC-Berkley

Posted on 3/24/15 at 5:29 pm to
Posted by BeefDawg
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Posted on 3/24/15 at 5:29 pm to
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Beef dawg , just so I'm clear, your assertion is that liberals gained an upper-hand through education and fact-based science, "winning arguments" as you say, over faith-based, less-pragmatic conservatives, and then took that political capital and "brainwashed" generations to come? Is it possible that pragmatic, fact-based arguments are the more appropriate "argument" to be had in politics? As opposed to ones of faith?

Hold on, think for a second about what topics "Faith" could possibly be referring to and then you'll realize that we're talking about a very small select few (but obviously tremendously important to each side) issues.

This by no means suggests that Liberals have ALL the correct facts on EVERY issue or talking point. That's not what I said.

I specifically mentioned the "religious right" as being the other side of the coin to this evolving progressivism in academia. So it's clear the issues that most impacted this were any discussions of religion, God, creationism vs. evolution, genetics attributes and dominance, human rights, and likely the sanctity of life, plus anything relating to these types of subjects.

Now obviously, if an entire culture of people are running around claiming there is no God and creationism is wrong, you're going to alienate an astronomical number of people and create a pretty massive divide and some incredible arguments. This was by far the greatest catalyst of this particular issue and what pushed Academics to feel like they were on the other side of the fence from Conservatism. But even still, this didn't make every single thing these Academics claimed true.

Back in the 50's and 60's, for instance, these Liberals in academia argued that science proved that black people had inferior genes which caused them to have lower IQ's than white people. And because they were deemed "inferior", they supposedly did not deserve equal rights.

Now tell me, would you call that a "fact-based argument"? Yes, technically you would have to because supposedly "science proved it". But guess who was contradicting that supposed science based on "faith"? How about Martin Luther King and about 100 million other "people of faith". And obviously today we know just how idiotic and wrong those "Academics" were.

You see, it wasn't about Academics actually being correct or arguing supposed facts and actually "winning" arguments. It was simply a gradual splitting of ideologies between people who claimed to be correct based on their own confirmation bias.

Technology, science, and mathematics were advancing and helping answer some questions along the way, but not every answer was correct. The Academics just anointed them "facts" simply because it suited them. And all this did was further the divide between Conservatism and Academia, and it's just never really recovered.

Today, Global Warming is a perfect example. It's simply NOT settled science. Progressives only claim it's settled science because that suits their argument. But fact remains, neither side can prove they are right and the other side is wrong.

And this isn't even a "Faith" issue at all. We are WAY past the Faith vs. Practical dichotomy any longer. That ended somewhere around the mid 1990's and now there's 100 different talking points separating two completely distinct sides, and the issues that caused Academia to align with liberalism/progressivism don't even play a role in why anymore.

Academia became a culture of blindly loyal Democrats just like Hollywood did. And there's just no changing it anymore. If you don't conform to the cultural mindset, you are shunned, black-balled, and excommunicated.

Same as black people and most minorities in general today. They are blindly loyal to Democrats because it's just so deeply ingrained in their cultures. Even though it wasn't at one time in the past.

I mean Liberalism and Democrats were the party that supported segregation and opposed equal rights for blacks back in the 60's and prior. Conservatives and Republicans were the ones who put a stop to this.

But those damn Liberal Academics were the ones who taught Democrats how to re-enslave blacks, and not only just make them dependent on government and stuck at the bottom of our class-society, but actually vote for Democrats to keep them there.

Propagate racial divide as much as possible and then bribe them with entitlements and social programs while condemning the wealthy (job creators), absolving them of responsibility, and placing the blame for their problems on Conservatives. That was the backup plan that Democrats came up with once Republicans ended segregation and affirmed black's equal rights. And as it turns out, the backup plan worked better than the original.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 5:37 pm
Posted by TMDawg
Member since Nov 2012
5374 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 5:58 pm to
decided not to get into it.

But I love the scene in Back to School where it's obvious the professor has zero real world experience. That makes me think of a lot of those professors (actually usually the non science ones) that can't hide the fact they haven't been out in the "real world." Plenty have too though, I usually respect their teaching more.
Rodney Dangerfield - Back to School
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 6:47 pm
Posted by PDXDawg
Member since Aug 2013
753 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:33 pm to
that's the great thing about science beef, others in the scientific community will attempt to prove their peers wrong or continue to build upon other ideas, changing as new evidence emerges. "Faith" is not supposed to work like that. Both religion and science have been used as justification of immoral actions as well. I'd venture to say over the course of history religion is probably used more often.
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