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re: Where are you a hypocrite on your beliefs?

Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:22 pm to
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i don't believe that it's nefarious, but i do think somewhere upwards of 30% take the money with no desire to better themselves or their family's longterm needs.



I believe there's a bit of a catch-22. Even if you truly desire to better one's position, sometimes the system punishes you for leaving welfare behind if you don't play your cards just right.

It's a vicious cycle that's damn hard to break if you don't have outside help, even if you have intrinsic motivation in spades.

That said, there are absolutely those who abuse the system to support their laziness, as well. I just think it's something that is hard to evaluate without knowing all the tangential issues going on with each individual case, but folks on both sides of the debate fall into the trap of making blanket statements far too easily, imho.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 12:54 pm
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:53 pm to
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I believe there's a bit of a catch-22. Even if you truly desire to better one's position, sometimes the system punishes you for leaving welfare behind if you don't play your cards just right.

It's a vicious cycle that's damn hard to break if you don't have outside help, even if you have intrinsic motivation in spades.



word. star parker has an excellent book on this. she tried to get off the system, but the system didn't want to let her off.

she settled on realizing that welfare is the most systematic racism we have.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:26 pm to
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It's a vicious cycle that's damn hard to break if you don't have outside help, even if you have intrinsic motivation in spades.

That said, there are absolutely those who abuse the system to support their laziness, as well. I just think it's something that is hard to evaluate without knowing all the tangential issues going on with each individual case, but folks on both sides of the debate fall into the trap of making blanket statements far too easily, imho.


This. And as a conservative I actually don't believe in the "cut entitlements as a way to cut Gov't spending" method that many conservatives push for. It could punish someone who actually needs the help. I believe as a conservative our representatives should push to make a more business friendly environment in our economy so that there are more good paying jobs available. Do that, and most people will get off of welfare and then it cuts itself, while increasing tax revenue without raising taxes.
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