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re: Call your shot: who will the DC hire ACTUALLY be?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 3:45 pm to Mirthomatic
Posted on 7/27/15 at 3:45 pm to Mirthomatic
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I've posted it time and time again, but LSU's offense DIDN'T "hold possession". In only ONE of Chavis's years did LSU have an elite Time Of Possession. You look thoughout Chavis's tenure, and LSU is pretty much middle-of-the-road as far as holding possession. Even when LSU had it's best defense under Chavis, 2011, the Tigers were just #26 in TOP.
Stats. TOP doesn't necessarily mean game clock. I'm not trying to be stupid here or mean, but our offense holds the ball alot. Even if the game clock/situation doesn't always show it. I think that Chavis was helped by the style of offense we played and the stats were helped by it. To say it otherwise is niave a bit I think. That doesn't mean he isn't one of the greatest defensive coordinators right now.
For example, take a look at the best total defenses last year. Name 4 that realistically had great defenses. FWIW I don't think LSU had a great defense last year. We were good and especially got better as the year went on. But it wasn't a great defense. Also check out the TOP stats last year vs top defenses...nearly every team is top 25 in top that is top 10 in total defense.
Now 2011, that was a great defense and it didn't matter what the TOP was...that and 2003 were among the greatest defenses I have seen us field ever. Hats off to Chavis and the rest of the staff for that defense. Chavis has had great statistical defenses but I don't think he will at aTm...not top 10 at least, again unless you change philosophies. But he will field great defenses there and again you won't care if they are top 10 as long as they are translating to W's
edit: I'm not trying to say that TOP and total defense are totally linked...i'm trying to say that you can't say they are mutually exclusive
This post was edited on 7/27/15 at 3:59 pm
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:11 am to jbrau22
TOP actually does mean game clock, by definition. You can argue that it doesn't necessarily perfectly reflect the actual real time that passes, because the clock stops for injuries, penalties, incompletions and such. But TOP does measure who has the ball when the game clock is running.
I understand that teams with great defenses tend to have good TOP. But Chavis hasn't been one of them. At LSU or at Tennessee.
In 2009, LSU was ranked #107 in time of possession. Chavis still had the #26 Total Defense, and the #11 Scoring Defense.
A year later in 2010, LSU was #57 in TOP, while Chavis had the #12 Total D, and the #11 Scoring D.
Even during the great defense in 2011, LSU was only #26 in TOP.
In 2012 LSU TOP #46. Total D/ScoringD #8/#12
In 2013, LSU TOP: #57, Total D/Scoring D: #15/#21
In 2014, LSU TOP: #9, Total D/Scoring D: #9/#5
LSU had elite TOP in just ONE season of Chavis' tenure.
Also, let's take a look at how Chavis did at Tennessee.
In 2008, the Vols had the #3 Total Defense, and the #10 Scoring Defense. What was their TOP ranking? #98
In 2007, their TOP ranking was even worse, at #103, but Chavis still finished 70/61 in Total/SCoring D.
2006 - TOP #105, Total D/Scoring D #50/#33
2005 - TOP #73, Total D/Scoring D #7/#16
And that's as far back as the NCAA website keeps the TOP stat.
His defensive rankings have ALWAYS outperformed his teams' TOP, often by huge margins. Point being, there is AMPLE evidence to suggest that Chavis isn't dependent on a ball control offense.
The numbers don't lie. The LSU offense, up until last year, just wasn't elite at running the clock. Maybe Fournette is the real deal, and LSU will continue to have equal or greater success. And maybe that will help out Steele. But Chavis has almost never had that kind of support from his offense. Not at Tennessee, and not at LSU. His defenses have always stood on their own.
I understand that teams with great defenses tend to have good TOP. But Chavis hasn't been one of them. At LSU or at Tennessee.
In 2009, LSU was ranked #107 in time of possession. Chavis still had the #26 Total Defense, and the #11 Scoring Defense.
A year later in 2010, LSU was #57 in TOP, while Chavis had the #12 Total D, and the #11 Scoring D.
Even during the great defense in 2011, LSU was only #26 in TOP.
In 2012 LSU TOP #46. Total D/ScoringD #8/#12
In 2013, LSU TOP: #57, Total D/Scoring D: #15/#21
In 2014, LSU TOP: #9, Total D/Scoring D: #9/#5
LSU had elite TOP in just ONE season of Chavis' tenure.
Also, let's take a look at how Chavis did at Tennessee.
In 2008, the Vols had the #3 Total Defense, and the #10 Scoring Defense. What was their TOP ranking? #98
In 2007, their TOP ranking was even worse, at #103, but Chavis still finished 70/61 in Total/SCoring D.
2006 - TOP #105, Total D/Scoring D #50/#33
2005 - TOP #73, Total D/Scoring D #7/#16
And that's as far back as the NCAA website keeps the TOP stat.
His defensive rankings have ALWAYS outperformed his teams' TOP, often by huge margins. Point being, there is AMPLE evidence to suggest that Chavis isn't dependent on a ball control offense.
The numbers don't lie. The LSU offense, up until last year, just wasn't elite at running the clock. Maybe Fournette is the real deal, and LSU will continue to have equal or greater success. And maybe that will help out Steele. But Chavis has almost never had that kind of support from his offense. Not at Tennessee, and not at LSU. His defenses have always stood on their own.
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