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re: Fayetteville's Anti-Discrimination Ordinance... repealed.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:20 am to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:20 am to Hog on the Hill
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1. The ordinance didn't give anyone special rights.
2. It has been explained ad nauseum why the laws currently in place to not protect the rights of LGBT citizens. If you don't understand this yet, you haven't been paying attention. (or you're really stupid, but I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and assume you just haven't put forth much effort)
1. Yes it does give special rights. Employment protection and housing protection are already included in the current law. This addition allows for criminal charges to be filed. So discriminate against an ethnic group and face civil charges...but discriminate against a gay and face criminal charges. Yep no special rights here.
Furthermore, why should a religious organization or private school, daycare, etc...be forced to hire people that don't align with their beliefs? If you have kids, would you be ok with their daycare being forced to allow gay people to work there. Cause I sure as hell wouldn't.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:26 am to GoldenSombrero
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would you be ok with their daycare being forced to allow gay people to work there. Cause I sure as hell wouldn't.
Whats wrong with a gay person working at a daycare? Do you have a problem with gay people working at schools and hospitals or in law enforcement?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:35 am to GoldenSombrero
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If you have kids, would you be ok with their daycare being forced to allow gay people to work there. Cause I sure as hell wouldn't.
what in the hell? do you think their gay would rub off on the toddlers?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:50 am to GoldenSombrero
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1. Yes it does give special rights. Employment protection and housing protection are already included in the current law.
Please tell me which law includes these protections for gay people. You won't find it, because there is no such state, federal, or city law. That is the whole fricking point of this law.
The reason the penalty is criminal is because the city can't make its own civil law per state statute. Speeding tickets are also criminal penalties, fyi. zomg
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:55 am to GoldenSombrero
quote:You are really uninformed. The ordinance protects all people from discrimination, not just LGBT people. Here's text from the actual ordinance:
1. Yes it does give special rights. Employment protection and housing protection are already included in the current law. This addition allows for criminal charges to be filed. So discriminate against an ethnic group and face civil charges...but discriminate against a gay and face criminal charges. Yep no special rights here.
Furthermore, why should a religious organization or private school, daycare, etc...be forced to hire people that don't align with their beliefs? If you have kids, would you be ok with their daycare being forced to allow gay people to work there. Cause I sure as hell wouldn't.
The purpose of this chapter is to protect and safeguard the right and opportunity of all persons to be free from discrimination based on real or perceived race, ethnicity, national origin, age, gender, gender identity, gender expression, familial status, marital status, socioeconomic background, religion, sexual orientation, disability and veteran status. This chapter's purpose is also to promote the public health and welfare of all persons who live or work in the City of Fayetteville and to ensure that all persons within the City have equal access to employment, housing, and public accommodations.
As you can see, the ordinance does not grant special rights or protections to any particular group of citizens. It protects all citizens equally, and the penalty for discriminating on the basis of either ethnicity or sexual orientation is the same. You are absolutely wrong on this point, and I hope you learn to inform yourself before judging the value of such legislation.
You ask, why is this law even needed if these people are already protected? Because they aren't! There is no law at the federal or state level (in Arkansas) that extends civil rights protections to people on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. That's why the law is necessary.
As for your second point, the ordinance also explicitly states that it does not require religious institutions to employ people for non-secular positions if they do not conform to the institution's religious or denominational principles.
You should read the ordinance before you post anything else about it.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 12:01 pm
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