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re: Do you believe in Evolution?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:36 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:36 am to Roger Klarvin
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Of course he isn't, but a benevolent God is by definition.
But with the free will we were given we threw away the world without suffering. He is benevolent but also just. The world is fallen and God has to let it be that way, humans picked it. God gave us a way to get back to a perfect creation though-The sacrifice of His Son.
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:42 am to DirtyDawg
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But with the free will we were given
So do we have free will or is there a grand plan? There cannot be both.
eta: I struggle with the question in my faith often. It really bothers me.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 12:44 am
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:43 am to DirtyDawg
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But with the free will we were given we threw away the world without suffering. He is benevolent but also just. The world is fallen and God has to let it be that way, humans picked it.
An all powerful God created only two human beings, and then allowed one of them (Eve) to frig it up?
DOES NOT COMPUTE BRO.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:51 am to DirtyDawg
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But with the free will we were given we threw away the world without suffering.
But it wasn't free will, given that God knew it would happen prior to the creation event.
The only way theism logically works is if God does not have foreknowledge of events, which all the monotheistic religions grant him. If God knows what will happen, all faults of humanity and all future circumstances are the fault of him and him alone.
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He is benevolent but also just.
There are several issues with this.
First, benevolence does not include infinite punishment for finite crimes. The two major monotheistic religions on Earth believe in this concept, and while fringe offshoots believe differently those are the orthodox beliefs.
Second, benevolence nor justice can include a reality in which humanity is rewarded or punished based on choices that result from a design flaw inherent to base creation.
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The world is fallen and God has to let it be that way, humans picked it.
Only if God isn't omnipotent. If he is, then God picked it.
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God gave us a way to get back to a perfect creation though-The sacrifice of His Son.
I believe Jesus existed, and I believe he had some very advanced moral ideas for his time. I believe much good can come from his words written in the New Testament, though he clearly believed he was something I don't believe he was if the NT reflects his existence accurately (which is questionable).
That being said, if God is all powerful, why is Jesus necessary? Why couldn't God just forgive us without blood sacrifice? God in human form dying to absolve us from a predestined sinful state seems like a construct of man and not the plan of an omnipotent deity.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:58 am to DirtyDawg
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The world is fallen and God has to let it be that way, humans picked it.
Did you pick it? I certainly didn't. I find it a bit odd that I have to pay for something that isn't my fault. Seems pretty unjust to me, don't you think?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:31 am to DirtyDawg
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But with the free will we were given we threw away the world without suffering. He is benevolent but also just. The world is fallen and God has to let it be that way, humans picked it. God gave us a way to get back to a perfect creation though-The sacrifice of His Son.
Why should I have to pay for something my most distant ancestor did? I had absolutely no choice in this matter.
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