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re: What do people get out of going to church on Easter once a year?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:06 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:06 pm to FooManChoo
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Not all of us believe in the freedom of the will. Some of us believe in the enslavement of the will (to sin) and the freedom of volition to act according to that enslaved will.
Who allowed us to have such a will?
Moreover, who knew before creation which choices we would make?
No matter much dancing one does, it always comes back to the fact that God by his defined nature in christianity takes on all responsibility for his creation. All of it.
This is the problem with making god infinitely powerful and why wiser men in wiser cultures in ancient history made their god's out to be less than omnipotent.
Admit that God is limited in power and we can talk about feee will and choice.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:God not only allowed but was the initial cause of the current state of our will. Adam was the direct cause of all of humanity's fallen nature (enslaved will).
Who allowed us to have such a will?
quote:God did.
Moreover, who knew before creation which choices we would make?
quote:But that's not true. He doesn't take all responsibility just because He knew what would happen. You are completely disregarding the responsibility Adam and all humanity had/have to obey.
No matter much dancing one does, it always comes back to the fact that God by his defined nature in christianity takes on all responsibility for his creation. All of it.
quote:But this assumes that the God of the Bible was "made up" (and doesn't exist). I don't buy that. Whether or not other men in other cultures took the truth about God and perverted it to their own liking is of no relevance to this issue of whether or not the one, true God is omniscient and omnipotent.
This is the problem with making god infinitely powerful and why wiser men in wiser cultures in ancient history made their god's out to be less than omnipotent.
quote:But it depends on what you mean by "limited in power". He has placed limits upon Himself in what He can and cannot do, so I suppose that is a limit on His power. But I'm not interested in talking about free will since I don't believe we have free will. Choice is another matter.
Admit that God is limited in power and we can talk about feee will and choice.
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