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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:51 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:51 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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LINK -- Watch it.
I've made my points, you say: Just look at the consensus.
It even identifies the faulty consensus being made, the one you so heavily rely on with your bias. (See how I can just randomly throw bias into any conversation and make it seem applicable?) Seriously, I've done the research, I actually watch videos regarding the academic point of view and I pay close attention to the trends. I used to believe Jesus existed (just like this SCHOLAR, HISTORIAN) until I looked past the consensus and toward the evidence.
I'm not arguing with you that there are intelligent scholars who question whether Jesus actually existed. I know there are. I'm questioning your zealotry in claiming there is "no evidence" that he did exist. There's a lot of evidence. That doesn't mean he actually existed, of course, but it does meant there is some evidence for it. And many scholars - both religious and atheist - concede this. And there are reams of cites I could give you that speak to this - as you probably well know. Many scholars do not believe he existed (a minority) and you've got a youtube video of one of them. Awesome. But to say there is "no evidence" speaks to bias.
So at least be honest - you're biased on this topic. You may not like it, but you clearly are. Otherwise, you would - at the very least - concede there is some evidence for Jesus' existence, but you don't believe it's enough to counter the lack of evidence or the evidence of his non-existence.
But that's not what you're doing. You ignore the evidence that is out there or simply claim "there is no evidence", thus closing off debate so you don't have to listen to the evidence anymore. That is not a scholarly approach as you well know.
Just try to maintain your objectivity - that is all.
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:05 am to GoldenDawg
Matthew 7:6 - "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."
Posted on 4/7/14 at 10:29 am to GoldenDawg
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Just try to maintain your objectivity - that is all.
What evidence do you actually have? Where is this litany of evidence?
Like I said: He deals with the "consensus". You asking me to be objective while simultaneously dismissing a video of a VERY well-respected scholar who's debated William Lane Craig over this as well as Ehrman (who has ultimately changed his mind and is slowly progressing toward myth). You can't call someone bias while immediately dismissing everything just because it doesn't meet the scientific consensus.
Get off your cross and stop telling me I'm bias, it's clearly psychological projection from your end. "Psychological projection is the act or technique of defending yourself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in yourself, while attributing them to others.[1]"
This whole conversation has basically gone:
Where's the evidence?
You're biased. There's a consensus.
Well what about the anonymous authorship?
You're biased. There's a consensus.
What about the increasing trend of people rejecting the historicity of Jesus?
You're biased. There's a consensus.
What about the questionable approach to historical consensus?
You're biased. There's a consensus.
Seriously, give evidence or refute -- don't just go off like a broken record because you've got yourself a shite argument.
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