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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:22 am to GoldenDawg
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:22 am to GoldenDawg
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I am, but without pre-conceived bias. This is where your problem lies.
There's nothing pre-conceived, there's just no evidence. If you're a Christian, there's evidence galore because you have the gospels........all written decades after Jesus died.
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Most modern scholars of antiquity believe that Jesus was a historical figure. The skepticism comes in when discussing the miracles, etc., laid out in the Bible, not as to his actual existence.
Most modern scholars include most biblical scholars -- who are by and large dependent on his existing. Didn't you say something about objectivity? I think Bart Ehrman is one of the only Atheistic scholars who said he existed, but not in any way conceivable by the gospels or the Bible.
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You are outside mainstream scholarly belief when you make the claim that Jesus never existed historically
It hasn't really been discussed until very recently when more atheistic scholars were allowed to view the data. There are a lot of people changing their minds due to the lack of evidence.
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This speaks to bias, which your earlier comments bear out.
So what's the best evidence for Jesus, then, "absolutely" existing? The gospels? No one thinks of them as credible. Josephus? Didn't live during Jesus' time.
Tacitus? Also didn't live during Jesus' time.
So let's go over the evidence.
Zero contemporary (to his time, since you necessitate qualifiers) evidence.
Only historical records of him are determined to be completely anonymous by Biblical scholars.
Socrates has more evidence for existing than Jesus does.
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Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:29 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Scholar who changed his mind on Jesus Existing and one of the reasons more people are changing their minds (as I did).
Scholar who changed his mind on Jesus Existing and one of the reasons more people are changing their minds (as I did).
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:38 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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There's nothing pre-conceived, there's just no evidence.
This statement is evidence of incredible bias. You have pre-decided there is no evidence, therefore, there is none. Meanwhile, you are ignoring evidence which mainstream scholarly opinion uses to come to the exact opposite conclusion that you have made. Get your head out of the sand, please.
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Most modern scholars include most biblical scholars -- who are by and large dependent on his existing.
So we can't believe Biblical scholars because they are Biblical scholars. Great. You do realize that this means we can't believe any scholar about anything, right? Your bias has completely blinded you on this one.
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I think Bart Ehrman is one of the only Atheistic scholars who said he existed
Think again. You need to open your mind a bit, get outside the talking points, and look this stuff up for yourself.
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So what's the best evidence for Jesus, then, "absolutely" existing? The gospels? No one thinks of them as credible. Josephus? Didn't live during Jesus' time.
I'm not interested in a shouting match. Look it up as there are whole books on the subject written by scholars a lot smarter than both of us that believe there is plenty of evidence proving the historical fact of the existence of Jesus.
But you will never agree with it because your bias prevents you from looking at any of the evidence objectively. You are completely unable to do so at present.
Your insane notion that Jesus' existence must be proved by coins, busts, and paintings done at the time of Jesus' life is proof of that. No objective or intelligent person would have made such a ludicrous argument. Since you are intelligent, it must be your bias speaking - loud and clear.
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