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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Come on man, please use your head.
I am, but without pre-conceived bias. This is where your problem lies.
Most modern scholars of antiquity believe that Jesus was a historical figure. The skepticism comes in when discussing the miracles, etc., laid out in the Bible, not as to his actual existence.
You are outside mainstream scholarly belief when you make the claim that Jesus never existed historically.
This speaks to bias, which your earlier comments bear out.
Try some objectivity is all I'm suggesting.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 9:22 am to GoldenDawg
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I am, but without pre-conceived bias. This is where your problem lies.
There's nothing pre-conceived, there's just no evidence. If you're a Christian, there's evidence galore because you have the gospels........all written decades after Jesus died.
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Most modern scholars of antiquity believe that Jesus was a historical figure. The skepticism comes in when discussing the miracles, etc., laid out in the Bible, not as to his actual existence.
Most modern scholars include most biblical scholars -- who are by and large dependent on his existing. Didn't you say something about objectivity? I think Bart Ehrman is one of the only Atheistic scholars who said he existed, but not in any way conceivable by the gospels or the Bible.
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You are outside mainstream scholarly belief when you make the claim that Jesus never existed historically
It hasn't really been discussed until very recently when more atheistic scholars were allowed to view the data. There are a lot of people changing their minds due to the lack of evidence.
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This speaks to bias, which your earlier comments bear out.
So what's the best evidence for Jesus, then, "absolutely" existing? The gospels? No one thinks of them as credible. Josephus? Didn't live during Jesus' time.
Tacitus? Also didn't live during Jesus' time.
So let's go over the evidence.
Zero contemporary (to his time, since you necessitate qualifiers) evidence.
Only historical records of him are determined to be completely anonymous by Biblical scholars.
Socrates has more evidence for existing than Jesus does.
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