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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:32 am to CheeseburgerEddie
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:32 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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We cannot know for certain if God or Christ existed
Yes we do.....if you're referring to Jesus when say Christ, he's a historical fact. As far as the existence of God, either you believe or you don't.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:38 am to Wtodd
The person the story of christ is based on is historical fact - in that someone did exist. If he is "Christ" and did the things written about is not a fact.
This post was edited on 4/7/14 at 8:39 am
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:48 am to Wtodd
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Yes we do.....if you're referring to Jesus when say Christ, he's a historical fact.
This too is debatable.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 8:48 am to Wtodd
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Yes we do.....if you're referring to Jesus when say Christ, he's a historical fact. As far as the existence of God, either you believe or you don't.
Historical fact? The problem with the historicity of Jesus is that the vast majority of the authors are Christian and his existence removes their objectivity.
There are no (zero) contemporary articles of Jesus. That means that the entire time he was going around raising people from the dead, being the son of God and getting crucified: Not a single person mentioned him.
Not a single scholar. No coins, no bust, no paintings, no articles/writings, no mention whatsoever.
John, Matthew, Mark and Luke?
John: C. 90 AD (60 years after Jesus died), author is unknown.
Matthew? 70 - 110 (they don't actually know, but even at the lowest: 40 years after Jesus had died). "The Gospel of Matthew is anonymous: the author is not named within the text, and the superscription "according to Matthew" was added some time in the second century."
Luke? 80 - 100, 50 years after Jesus Death. "The author is traditionally identified as Luke the Evangelist.[7] Modern scholarship generally rejects the view that Luke was the original author,[8] with the most that could be said being that Lukan authorship is "not impossible"." -- Author unknown.
Mark? 30 years after Jesus had died. The authorship? You guessed it.
Most modern scholars reject the tradition which ascribes it to Mark the Evangelist, the companion of Peter, and regard it as the work of an unknown author working with various sources including collections of miracle stories, controversy stories, parables, and a passion narrative.
Evidence: Inscriptions? Coins? Busts? Scholars? Friends? Family? Gospels?
None, none, none, none, none, none, all authored decades after his death and by anonymous men. If you say that's concrete fact then I feel sorry for you, son.
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