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re: Time to put AJ for Heisman to rest
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:19 am to lsupride87
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:19 am to lsupride87
JFF and Winston are the frontrunners, but AJ would be a worthy recipient as well. The award is for the most "outstanding" player, not the one with the best stats. AJ may go down as one of the winningest and most decorated players in CFB. And he plays in a balanced offense that actually runs the ball. If he got to throw the ball 35 times a game like some of these other guys his stats would be alot higher as well. Not to mention the fact that he is usually on the bench the last quarter, quarter and a half in most Bama games because of blowout wins. He could easily have an additional 500-800 yards passing and half dozen or more TD's if Bama wanted to pad his stats. Fact.
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Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:21 am to tider04
The guy who has played absolutely outstanding lights-out football and has been the MVP of more big-time nationally-relevant games than any other player in college football history
is gonna go down as a game manager
is gonna go down as a game manager
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:23 am to tider04
Youre right. AJ is not outstanding from his team. He is doing a fantastic job managing the offense. He is a very good player. He is a BCS champion, but not a Heisman winning player. Big deal I rather have rings over a trophy.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:23 am to tider04
I do enjoy the whole AJ just has so much talent around him that he doesn't have to do to much argument.
Mett has a NFL RB and two NFL WR's
JFF has Evans and has had multiple 1st rounders blocking for him
Winston is surrounded by future pros on his offense
Most of the guys have a lot of weapons, but it is only fault when discussing AJ's standing as a QB.
Mett has a NFL RB and two NFL WR's
JFF has Evans and has had multiple 1st rounders blocking for him
Winston is surrounded by future pros on his offense
Most of the guys have a lot of weapons, but it is only fault when discussing AJ's standing as a QB.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:24 am to tider04
The Heisman stopped being about who SHOULD win long ago, if it ever was. It's about who WILL win.
It should not be a Lifetime Achievement Award (which is why Ron Dayne was such a weak winner) and that's the only way AJ is in the picture. HOWEVER, it should also include defensive players, factor in more than just yards and points, and be about the player's performance, not his team's.
Since the award is a joke, I like Alabama players being considered whether they deserve it or not. If this were truly about the best player in college football, CJ Mosely would be a better choice than AJ, Evans would be a better choice than Johnny Hancock, and there's probably a player we know little to nothing about on a 5-5 team that deserves it the most.
It should not be a Lifetime Achievement Award (which is why Ron Dayne was such a weak winner) and that's the only way AJ is in the picture. HOWEVER, it should also include defensive players, factor in more than just yards and points, and be about the player's performance, not his team's.
Since the award is a joke, I like Alabama players being considered whether they deserve it or not. If this were truly about the best player in college football, CJ Mosely would be a better choice than AJ, Evans would be a better choice than Johnny Hancock, and there's probably a player we know little to nothing about on a 5-5 team that deserves it the most.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:24 am to tider04
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JFF and Winston are the frontrunners, but AJ would be a worthy recipient as well. The award is for the most "outstanding" player, not the one with the best stats. AJ may go down as one of the winningest and most decorated players in CFB. And he plays in a balanced offense that actually runs the ball. If he got to throw the ball 35 times a game like some of these other guys his stats would be alot higher as well. Not to mention the fact that he is usually on the bench the last quarter, quarter and a half in most Bama games because of blowout wins. He could easily have an additional 500-800 yards passing and half dozen or more TD's if Bama wanted to pad his stats. Fact.
Luckily there is a stat to compensate for the fact that not every QB gets to sling the ball 50 times a game. It's called Yards per attempt:
AJ is at 8.912 YPA and Manziel is at 10.52
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:33 am to tider04
tider04 with a reasonable post. I like AJ. He should get an invite. Bama has an outstanding team, in every facet. The defense is arguably the best in the country. RBs are unreal. I think Drake is more explosive than Yeldon. And Yeldon is badass. The TE broke the game open on a slant route. Outstanding.
But because AJ isn't asked to do anything outstanding, he doesn't do anything outstanding. It's not his fault. He is a great QB though. Perfect QB to lead Bama in big games because he doesn't take many risks but can still make clutch plays. Isn't MVP of the BCS NCG enough?
That being said, Winston is the frontrunner. The voters probably have some JFF fatigue. The only way JFF could get it is if he beats both LSU and Mizzou on the road. With our Defense as bad as it is, that would certainly be outstanding.
But because AJ isn't asked to do anything outstanding, he doesn't do anything outstanding. It's not his fault. He is a great QB though. Perfect QB to lead Bama in big games because he doesn't take many risks but can still make clutch plays. Isn't MVP of the BCS NCG enough?
That being said, Winston is the frontrunner. The voters probably have some JFF fatigue. The only way JFF could get it is if he beats both LSU and Mizzou on the road. With our Defense as bad as it is, that would certainly be outstanding.
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