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re: POLL: Will the US default?

Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:43 pm to
I think forcing Dem's to compromise and using the debt ceiling was an opportunity for real and productive change. I think they failed in holding them to the fire and giving in.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 10/16/13 at 12:58 pm to
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I think forcing Dem's to compromise and using the debt ceiling was an opportunity for real and productive change. I think they failed in holding them to the fire and giving in.


Well, I will remain civil here as you have. You know me well enough to know I was getting a bit agitated I think.

First, I disagree with the use of the word compromise here. It would appear the Dems ending up being the ones getting some concessions out of the GOP regarding the sequester. I do not like that either. I feel that the CR and debt ceiling are not the proper venue to try to get concessions from each other but I understand why it happens. IMO, if the TP was serious about anything they claim to stand for, they would champion some bill that reforms entitlements. Since they have put forth nothing at all in regards to entitlement reform the entire time they have been in Congress (no plan, nothing at all), I cannot take them seriously. Fiscal responsibility is their #1 priority according to them. Yet they have no plan at all but no problem being extremely outspoken about everything BUT the one thing that actually matters. They are a fraud until proven otherwise.

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I think they failed in holding them to the fire and giving in.


They had no choice from the start. It was politically the dumbest strategy I have ever seen in my life. All they accomplished was losing sequester cuts and making it more likely they lose congressional seats held by more moderate repubs in more moderate districts as this entire debacle has given the GOP a black eye as a whole where it matters. Not the conservative TP districts, but the ones that could swing either way in future elections.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36341 posts
Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:09 pm to
The debt ceiling was the venue for forcing some cuts. Guess what? By going all in on defunding Obamacare, the Tea Party turned the possibly productive fight into a bargining chip to end a fight the GOP had no business starting in the first place.

Brilliant move.
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