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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:50 pm to SL Tiger
Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:50 pm to SL Tiger
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Believe what you want fools but I'd put his chances at playing before the 5th game at no better than 30%.
If JM plays before October, I will reconsider the respect I have for Sumlin's intelligence.
This isn't a moral issue, but if Sumlin jeopardizes the future of the A&M program by playing someone with serious questions about his eligibility like JM has right now, he just isn't as smart as I always gave him credit for.
Blast me all you want. Book mark this, cause I will, but I give JM a 5% chance at playing before October unless the NCAA specifically clears him because I think Sumlin is not an idiot
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 5:56 pm
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:59 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Why would a&m sit him? Is it not better to win and have them vacated than to lose?
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:04 pm to Oily Tigah
If they play him despite signs that he is actually ineligible, the NCAA could then punish A&M for putting an ineligible player on the field.
Plus, if Sumlin sits him until October, and with A&M's schedule they should be at worst 4-1 with or without him, he can then tell the NCAA, "We sat him, you've had two months to determine if he's eligible or not, but you aren't telling us anything. So at this point we've done our part, but now we're going to play him."
It would be covering A&M's arse if he's found to have been ineligible in the future.
Plus, if Sumlin sits him until October, and with A&M's schedule they should be at worst 4-1 with or without him, he can then tell the NCAA, "We sat him, you've had two months to determine if he's eligible or not, but you aren't telling us anything. So at this point we've done our part, but now we're going to play him."
It would be covering A&M's arse if he's found to have been ineligible in the future.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:06 pm to Oily Tigah
the wins wouldn't be vacated anyway unless A&M had evidence they did not provide to the NCAA. He won't sit just because of an investigation. The practical application of that would be a nightmare too. He'll either be ruled ineligible by the NCAA or he'll play.
As an example
Oklahoma State received no punishment whatsoever when Bryant was declared ineligible. They fully cooperated with the NCAA which I'm certain A&M will do as well.
As an example
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While Bryant played in OSU's first three games, OSU compliance officials were investigating an apparent meeting he had with former NFL players Sanders and Omar Stoutmire that he later lied about to the NCAA.
Oklahoma State received no punishment whatsoever when Bryant was declared ineligible. They fully cooperated with the NCAA which I'm certain A&M will do as well.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:06 pm to Oily Tigah
Question for all:
How is it that Louisville looked into the autograph stuff with Bridgewater, USCe looked into it with Clowney, and USCw looked into it with their WR and all of their compliance departments have already announced there is no wrongdoing on the part of those athletes, yet A&M has made no such announcement regarding Manziel?
Reading too much into it, or are others not reading enough into that?
How is it that Louisville looked into the autograph stuff with Bridgewater, USCe looked into it with Clowney, and USCw looked into it with their WR and all of their compliance departments have already announced there is no wrongdoing on the part of those athletes, yet A&M has made no such announcement regarding Manziel?
Reading too much into it, or are others not reading enough into that?
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:09 pm to bamasgot13
Think they asked the players and the player's said "nope." This same issue was asked in March and A&M followed that same procedure. But they can't do that right now because there is an official investigation already. The compliance office declaring no violation is meaningless in making it go away and could be problematic in the future if violations are proven because it's already in the NCAA's hands.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:10 pm to bamasgot13
good point
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:14 pm to tmc94
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Think they asked the players and the player's said "nope."
I'm sure that's part of it, but they also sent cease and desist letters to the brokers that had their players merchandise for sale. The compliance department of those various schools would not give an "all clear" unless they felt confident based on the info at hand that their players were clear.
Why hasn't A&M done the same is my question. Doesn't seem like a money trail can be found against Manziel, nor is one even claimed against the other players.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:15 pm to bamasgot13
Yeah but Sumlin just found out about it Sunday. 
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:17 pm to tmc94
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Oklahoma State received no punishment whatsoever when Bryant was declared ineligible.
Go back and look at the timeline.
Bryant played in the first 3 games, but was SUSPENDED BY OSU the day he admitted to lying to the NCAA.
He wasn't ruled ineligible by the NCAA until almost a month AFTER OSU suspended him.
That is why OSU didn't get penalties, because as soon as it became clear he would be ineligible, he didn't see the field even though the NCAA hadn't officially ruled yet.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:20 pm to tmc94
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The compliance office declaring no violation is meaningless in making it go away and could be problematic in the future if violations are proven because it's already in the NCAA's hands.
We agree on this for sure.
SCe and Louisville are not out of the woods either despite their own investigations. The investigations are just CYA so that they can say they at least looked into it on their own accord if violations are found to have occurred down the road.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:21 pm to tmc94
Let the NCAA do their thing. Weird situation. Broker guy won't talk to NCAA, but will talk to ESPN? Doesn't make sense. Not saying Johnny has been an angel, but this whole situation has an interesting timing.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:23 pm to bamasgot13
You seem to only read half that statement. A&M did do exactly that.
That was in March.
Doing so now is meaningless. Again, what purpose does it serve? There is already an NCAA investigation. They will find something or they won't but putting a compliance statement out will not change what they find. But doing so could open up the university to potential penalties.
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Responding to an email about autograph sales and the Leaf cards, David Batson, director of compliance at Texas A&M University, said: “Other than to charitable and nonprofit fundraisers, Johnny has indicated that he has never knowingly provided an autograph to someone who had indicated a plan to sell his autograph. As for the Leaf Mystery Redemption Cards, Johnny has informed the Athletic Compliance Office that he has not authorized these cards’ production or sale; he has not knowingly provided his autograph for use in these cards; and he will not receive any compensation from the sale of these cards. ...”
“Texas A&M University takes the unauthorized use of a student-athlete’s name, image or likeness as well as unauthorized use of the institution’s protected trademarks very seriously,” Batson wrote.
That was in March.
Doing so now is meaningless. Again, what purpose does it serve? There is already an NCAA investigation. They will find something or they won't but putting a compliance statement out will not change what they find. But doing so could open up the university to potential penalties.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:25 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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I'm sure that's part of it, but they also sent cease and desist letters to the brokers that had their players merchandise for sale. The compliance department of those various schools would not give an "all clear" unless they felt confident based on the info at hand that their players were clear.
Why hasn't A&M done the same is my question. Doesn't seem like a money trail can be found against Manziel, nor is one even claimed against the other players.
We told the ncaa we were all clear in march. Now wer'e being investigated and you can't just say "all clear" if you're not. A&M will wait it out until substantial evidence is acquired, or the NCAA sees enough to suspend him themselves.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:28 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Bryant played in the first 3 games, but was SUSPENDED BY OSU the day he admitted to lying to the NCAA.
I think for the most part we agree but you are misrepresenting the Bryant case. The NCAA actually suspended him, not OSU. And he lied to the NCAA before the season started. They caught him in the lie later.
A&M has no knowledge of wrongdoing, only an investigation. There are only implications. Exactly like the Bryant case. If facts are brought to light that determines guilt, he should be immediately suspended or A&M should be punished.
btw, LINK for the above from Oct 7th, the day he was suspended
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Already rocked by off-the-field issues and injuries to significant players, the Oklahoma State football program experienced extreme turbulence on Wednesday. All-American wide receiver Dez Bryant was declared ineligible because of a violation of an NCAA rule. The NCAA determined that Bryant is ineligible, and OSU made the announcement in a press release.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:36 pm to tmc94
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Doing so now is meaningless
Then why wouldn't Sumlin simply say, "we addressed this months ago in March. It has been looked into and all is clear". instead, he says he's only talking about football and some other dude can talk about the Manziel situation.
I'll admit, I've not followed this situation as closely as A&M fans have, but I just find it odd that others are publicly addressing their past actions of investigation, but A&M is not referencing their past investigation.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:37 pm to tmc94
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The NCAA actually suspended him, not OSU
Yeah, it's not really clear, based on these links, but like you said I think we're on the same page pretty much. My concern would just be as an Aggie fan if a player with serious questions about his eligibility was just allowed to play right away. I think holding him out a few games for the NCAA to finish their investigation would go a long way to protect them down the road.:
From Oct. 7
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Oklahoma State Declares Star Receiver Bryant Ineligible
By THAYER EVANS
Published: October 7, 2009
Dez Bryant, an all-American wide receiver at Oklahoma State, was declared ineligible by the university Wednesday for failing to disclose to the N.C.A.A the full details of contact he had with the former N.F.L. player Deion Sanders.
Oct. 28
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Bryant was suspended by Oklahoma State Oct. 7 after admittedly lying to NCAA officials about the details of a meeting with former NFL star Deion Sanders. The NCAA informed OSU that the suspension will last a calendar year and keep Bryant out through September 2010.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:37 pm to Palooza11
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Weird situation. Broker guy won't talk to NCAA, but will talk to ESPN? Doesn't make sense. Not saying Johnny has been an angel, but this whole situation has an interesting timing.
broker guy is trying to drum up interest in the purchase of the video he supposedly has.
broker guy wants to retire from the broker business/wants easy money and is thinking he can make big bucks from this video. talking to the ncaa is not a financially smart way to market this alleged video. offering the video to espn, then, even though they declined to buy it, espn talking about the video drives interest in it.
cheap, evil & smart advertising & marketing.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:38 pm to tmc94
JF absolutely made some cash....duh. many others do it as well. The only issue at hand is proof he did.
I sense that any viable proof is dwindling. Hell, the Manziel family will drop serious coin to the broker and it will disappear.
I sense that any viable proof is dwindling. Hell, the Manziel family will drop serious coin to the broker and it will disappear.
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:40 pm to Oily Tigah
If they can't beat Rice or Sam Houston State with a backup QB, then they have bigger problems.
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